Trump

[backsidebaggie]

Thanks for clarifying, I was misunderstanding what you meant. I agree that Trump wouldn't accept losing in 2024 and still hasn't for 2020, despite the 60+ law cases claiming voter fraud brought by MAGA lawyers only achieving 1 very minor success. I also agree that it's high likely that he's only running to try to avoid further prosecutions and has no real interest in running the country.

Of course, he didn't have much interest in running the country first time around, spending 1 in 5 of his work days playing golf, which apparently cost the American taxpayers more than $140m! His enduring popularity is completely mystifying in so many ways...

I saw that the widow of the bloke who was sadly killed in the shooting received a call from Biden but declined to take it because her husband was such a staunch Republican (MAGA in other words). Trump on the other hand hasn't bothered to get in touch...

I've read that, too, Worcs. I think the political scene in the US has now gone way past any kind of normality. Like anything associated with Trump it has descended into a surreal circus of divisiveness and chaos, with the narrative being constantly manipulated by the Murdoch media machine in his favour. Trump has thrived in this environment where there's no longer any verifiable truths, just events that are bent whichever way to further his cause. As well you know it's an object lesson in how fascism gains traction.

And now that they're making him to a martyr and/or some kind of super-hero following the shooting, both MAGA and the media will be leaping on any criticism of him as being distasteful or encouraging violence against him. I'm genuinely worried sick about everyone and everything should he become President again.

Worried sick about everyone and everything? Mate you need help. Bloke is a dick but this thread is hilariously OTT.

How did we all survive his last presidency? The same as we will his next.

None of his original White House team from 2016 are still in place, all being replaced by MAGA types who daren't challenge their leader. The previous incumbents provided the checks and balances against his lunacy. 40 of those 44 refuse to endorse his standing for re-election, including his former VP Mike Pence. All this being unprecedented in US election history and an indicator of the threat they believe he poses to national and international security. The next 4 years under Trump would be very unlike 2016-2020.

It is not worth worrying about “everyone and everything”.

Some people seem to be talking themselves into panic, it’s bad for mental health, and it’s bizarre IMO.

But carry on if you wish, each to their own.

[Psalm23]

Surely China is way out in front for emission offences?? (That's excluding a camper van of blokes going across Europe!)

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https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissi...y-country/

[Borin' Baggie]

Surely China is way out in front for emission offences?? (That's excluding a camper van of blokes going across Europe!)

Nope, not on per-capita terms plus China has been pretty decent at installing renewable and nuclear capacity, since 2010 their per capita emissions have basically stalled while still developing.

The two black sheep (excluding tiny states and micronations where things get skewed) are the US and Australia. The US per capita emissions dwarf Germany and Japan and are nearly three times higher than ours and the French.

To put into context how bad the US is on the emissions front, despite having 1.1 billion fewer people they actually have higher emissions than India in total.

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He tried to blackmail Ukraine and his disciples have held up military aid preventing counterattack opportunities, he stole classified defence intel and had probably sold it off, he tried to overturn democratic results and then when that failed he helped instigate an armed insurgency at the end of his presidency, he wants to leave NATO, he started stupid trade wars with US allies (read, us) making everything more expensive for no reason, he's helped turn back women's rights progress in the US by 50 years, he held up US progress on climate change despite the US being the second worst offender on emissions behind Australia and his running mate wants to rig the political system in the Republicans favour forever.

He instigated an 'armed insurgency'? What shit are you smoking and can I get some?

Do you not remember January 6th 2021 and "Stop the Steal"?

[Protheroe]

Trump is going to win by a landslide and deservedly so.

The optics in the States this week set one guy barely capable of walking up a flight of stairs, incapable of remembering the name of his VP and a key allie against a guy who literally dodged a bullet and then pulled himself from the floor with a clenched fist salute. Given the binary choice I'm pretty sure who a majority of Americans would want leading their country and representing them on the world stage.

This is a crisis built in liberal America, with its roots back in the lack of a response to the structural issues brought about by globalisation and the GFC as over here and in Europe.

I'm in the swing state of Georgia for a bit this summer, and Ruby Red Florida and South Carolina. I expect the front yards to be adorned with Trump placards across all three.

[WorcsWBA]

And now that they're making him to a martyr and/or some kind of super-hero following the shooting, both MAGA and the media will be leaping on any criticism of him as being distasteful or encouraging violence against him. I'm genuinely worried sick about everyone and everything should he become President again.

Worried sick about everyone and everything? Mate you need help. Bloke is a dick but this thread is hilariously OTT.

How did we all survive his last presidency? The same as we will his next.

None of his original White House team from 2016 are still in place, all being replaced by MAGA types who daren't challenge their leader. The previous incumbents provided the checks and balances against his lunacy. 40 of those 44 refuse to endorse his standing for re-election, including his former VP Mike Pence. All this being unprecedented in US election history and an indicator of the threat they believe he poses to national and international security. The next 4 years under Trump would be very unlike 2016-2020.

It is not worth worrying about “everyone and everything”.

Some people seem to be talking themselves into panic, it’s bad for mental health, and it’s bizarre IMO.

But carry on if you wish, each to their own.

Failing to deal with the climate emergency will affect everyone and everything, and it's pretty obvious that Trump will cause the world's climate change plan to fail. Lucky you that you can be so blasé about it.

Ensuring Russia succeeds in Ukraine, as he would, will also embolden them and others like them (Trump idolises all authoritarians). This would greatly increase the possibility of WWIII.

Project 2025 will seek to ensure that Trump and his acolyte successors can't be voted out, so we'll be stuck with MAGA policies indefinitely.

[Protheroe]

I remember when the Left used to rail against the idea of the US being the "world's policeman".

Now they're shaking like shitting dogs about American isolationism.

Make up your minds FFS.

[WorcsWBA]

Trump is going to win by a landslide and deservedly so.

The optics in the States this week set one guy barely capable of walking up a flight of stairs, incapable of remembering the name of his VP and a key allie against a guy who literally dodged a bullet and then pulled himself from the floor with a clenched fist salute. Given the binary choice I'm pretty sure who a majority of Americans would want leading their country and representing them on the world stage.

If you think he deserves anything other than being in prison, you must be sick in the head.

The optics are being grossly distorted in Trump's favour incidentally. The media, including the BBC, regard Trump as being great for clickbait. But, as DemonicBaggie has said, this isn't going to be a repeat of 2016 if he wins, it's going to be cataclysmic. This isn't a game and people are in danger of sleepwalking into some extremely serious issues.

[backsidebaggie]

And now that they're making him to a martyr and/or some kind of super-hero following the shooting, both MAGA and the media will be leaping on any criticism of him as being distasteful or encouraging violence against him. I'm genuinely worried sick about everyone and everything should he become President again.

Worried sick about everyone and everything? Mate you need help. Bloke is a dick but this thread is hilariously OTT.

How did we all survive his last presidency? The same as we will his next.

None of his original White House team from 2016 are still in place, all being replaced by MAGA types who daren't challenge their leader. The previous incumbents provided the checks and balances against his lunacy. 40 of those 44 refuse to endorse his standing for re-election, including his former VP Mike Pence. All this being unprecedented in US election history and an indicator of the threat they believe he poses to national and international security. The next 4 years under Trump would be very unlike 2016-2020.

It is not worth worrying about “everyone and everything”.

Some people seem to be talking themselves into panic, it’s bad for mental health, and it’s bizarre IMO.

But carry on if you wish, each to their own.

Failing to deal with the climate emergency will affect everyone and everything, and it's pretty obvious that Trump will cause the world's climate change plan to fail. Lucky you that you can be so blasé about it.

Ensuring Russia succeeds in Ukraine, as he would, will also embolden them and others like them (Trump idolises all authoritarians). This would greatly increase the possibility of WWIII.

Project 2025 will seek to ensure that Trump and his acolyte successors can't be voted out, so we'll be stuck with MAGA policies indefinitely.

I’m not “lucky” that I’m not worrying about “everyone and everything” if he gets in.

I’m in the same boat as the vast majority of people, simply not working myself into a frenzy.

Seriously get help if it’s affecting you this much. Come December you’ll be a wreck. “Cataclysmic” FFS.

[Hudds1]

It's gonna be dismal...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/art...ear-weapon

[Protheroe]

If you think he deserves anything other than being in prison, you must be sick in the head.

The optics are being grossly distorted in Trump's favour incidentally. 

I don't agree with anything Trump stands for; economic and military isolationism, anti-immigrant sentiment, barely disguised contempt for pretty much everybody.

However. The optics are that the whole apparatus of state (and liberal media) has been lined up against Trump. The optics are that it has culminated in an attempt on his life. The optics are that he bravely dodged a bullet and immediately stood with a clenched fist salute as a representation of virility.

Since its foundation the US has been deeply suspicious of the power of the State, fearing the same sort of tyranny it fought to escape from. Just read the US constitution. This is so deeply embedded in the American psyche, and so different from many people here who (wrongly in my opinion) believe that State to be a benign entity. 

First Hillary Clinton managed to insult enough swing voters to cast their ballots for Trump. Then the Democrats conspired to select a terminally gaffe prone septegenerian career politician in Trump's stead, and allowed him to go back on the understanding that he was a single term transitional President - he did pick Harris at veep for a reason you know.

Trump is (incredibly, to me) presenting himself as the anti-establishment saviour of democracy against the deep state. The Democrats have done little or nothing to counter that, and as Americans are so deeply suspicious of the State it's hardly surprising that they will turn to Trump again.