Cheer up lads

[Spandaubaggie]

Also a problem with mental health is it's over talked about now and never talked about in the past. People stoically went about their often mundane lives. Now there seems to be an expectation to be happy most of the time, when life can be truly shit at times.
People have got more entitled and expect more of life than a generation or two ago. That leads to disappointment when it doesn't go the way the lad in his Ferrari on YouTube told you it would.
I've said to my young adult kids to enjoy life now as it gets harder when you're older. Dealing with financial issues, responsibility of bringing up kids then watching parents die and then start seeing your own generation have health problems is part of life.
No amount of talking about mental health changes that.

[Sliced]

The trouble with mental health is that it's all very personal, so you can't really treat everyone in the same way.

That level of tailored care is almost impossible to deliver unless paid for privately. It's not like a broken leg where there's a few variables to consider and so standardised care can be formulated.

One person's mental health issue is another's breaking point and another's just crack on with it, how can any national health provider deal with that?

Unfortunately this is true

[Lurker#3]

The trouble with mental health is that it's all very personal, so you can't really treat everyone in the same way.

That level of tailored care is almost impossible to deliver unless paid for privately. It's not like a broken leg where there's a few variables to consider and so standardised care can be formulated.

One person's mental health issue is another's breaking point and another's just crack on with it, how can any national health provider deal with that?

This is a very good post, mate. 

You also have a huge proportion who suffer with a duel diagnosis of; substance abuse and MH. Both services try and present them as a dichotomy because of their complexities and services have to try and find some sort of repeatable treatment plans which can be funded on a national scale.

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Also a problem with mental health is it's over talked about now and never talked about in the past. People stoically went about their often mundane lives. Now there seems to be an expectation to be happy most of the time, when life can be truly shit at times.
People have got more entitled and expect more of life than a generation or two ago. That leads to disappointment when it doesn't go the way the lad in his Ferrari on YouTube told you it would.
I've said to my young adult kids to enjoy life now as it gets harder when you're older. Dealing with financial issues, responsibility of bringing up kids then watching parents die and then start seeing your own generation have health problems is part of life.
No amount of talking about mental health changes that.

Also completely correct.

[Spandaubaggie]

The trouble with mental health is that it's all very personal, so you can't really treat everyone in the same way.

That level of tailored care is almost impossible to deliver unless paid for privately. It's not like a broken leg where there's a few variables to consider and so standardised care can be formulated.

One person's mental health issue is another's breaking point and another's just crack on with it, how can any national health provider deal with that?

This is a very good post, mate. 

You also have a huge proportion who suffer with a duel diagnosis of; substance abuse and MH. Both services try and present them as a dichotomy because of their complexities and services have to try and find some sort of repeatable treatment plans which can be funded on a national scale.

I read an article recently saying the issue is people who are just fed up and depressed life isn't going their way are stopping people with severe mental health issues, who really need help, getting treatment.

I think most of us have had times when we've been depressed, but that's a world different to mental health issues.

Incidentally, when my mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer well over a decade ago now, I went to the doctor and said could he sign me off from work for the week as I needed time to get my head together as I was so distraught. I was doing a job where I had to be on my top game every day and managing a team . Straight away he offered me anti-depressants. I said I didn't want them and what I was  experiencing was normal, but I just needed time out of the firing line.

I was stunned how careless the doctor was handing out such medicines. I'm not sure anything has improved.

[CaptainFantastico]

Also a problem with mental health is it's over talked about now and never talked about in the past. People stoically went about their often mundane lives. Now there seems to be an expectation to be happy most of the time, when life can be truly shit at times.
People have got more entitled and expect more of life than a generation or two ago. That leads to disappointment when it doesn't go the way the lad in his Ferrari on YouTube told you it would.
I've said to my young adult kids to enjoy life now as it gets harder when you're older. Dealing with financial issues, responsibility of bringing up kids then watching parents die and then start seeing your own generation have health problems is part of life.
No amount of talking about mental health changes that.

There is plenty of stuff that gets better too. I’m not sure it gets harder, it just brings different experiences and challenges. Some of the stuff you go through at 13/14/15 is emotionally much tougher because not everyone is equipped with the tools to deal with those things, even if they seem comparatively more trivial later in life

[MrBater]

Lots of very good points raised on here about it.

There are loads of people who have grown up without the skills of being able to deal with regular shit, because they weren't exposed to it, or their parents did everything for them , who will now call their lack of coping skills a mental health issue, and I suppose it is, but then you get those with some like schizophrenia or whatever the new name for it is, who slip under the radar because they don't even realise they need help. I've a theory that goes through less someone has suffered the more self entitled they seem to be

My Mrs' daughter is likely to be a prime example of having no coping skills, because her dad died at a young age and her mom, understandably , has then over protected her. Case in point it's the granddad's funeral next Monday, but at 14 the family has decided she's too young to cope. So is only going to the churchy bit. I think I went to my first family funeral aged around 8 or 9. Times have changed and there are a lot of people who've grown up in a protective bubble.

However I think some of these protections have led to a lot of people expecting things in life to always be rosy.

Maybe the older generations did get some stuff wrong, but also maybe they got a lot right, but it's been thrown away as everyone is now super special and deserves an award for taking part sort of thing?

[CaptainFantastico]

Oh and I agree with you about the extent of anti depressants. They have their place but they do nothing to change the reality that surrounds us.

[MrFizz]

The trouble with mental health is that it's all very personal, so you can't really treat everyone in the same way.

That level of tailored care is almost impossible to deliver unless paid for privately. It's not like a broken leg where there's a few variables to consider and so standardised care can be formulated.

One person's mental health issue is another's breaking point and another's just crack on with it, how can any national health provider deal with that?

This is a very good post, mate. 

You also have a huge proportion who suffer with a duel diagnosis of; substance abuse and MH. Both services try and present them as a dichotomy because of their complexities and services have to try and find some sort of repeatable treatment plans which can be funded on a national scale.

I read an article recently saying the issue is people who are just fed up and depressed life isn't going their way are stopping people with severe mental health issues, who really need help, getting treatment.

I think most of us have had times when we've been depressed, but that's a world different to mental health issues.

Incidentally, when my mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer well over a decade ago now, I went to the doctor and said could he sign me off from work for the week as I needed time to get my head together as I was so distraught. I was doing a job where I had to be on my top game every day and managing a team . Straight away he offered me anti-depressants. I said I didn't want them and what I was  experiencing was normal, but I just needed time out of the firing line.

I was stunned how careless the doctor was handing out such medicines. I'm not sure anything has improved.

It is a complex issue, and very much down to the individual. Everyone is different.

An issue that one person can shrug off as a 'bad day/week' is another persons trigger for a downward spiral leading to all sorts.

Some have the mental ability to 'file things away', others do not. 

One thing is certain, if you can't cope, for whatever reason, not talking or seeking help will only lead one way, and you don't want to go there.

[AnelkasBeard]

The trouble with mental health is that it's all very personal, so you can't really treat everyone in the same way.

That level of tailored care is almost impossible to deliver unless paid for privately. It's not like a broken leg where there's a few variables to consider and so standardised care can be formulated.

One person's mental health issue is another's breaking point and another's just crack on with it, how can any national health provider deal with that?

Lots of very good points raised on here about it.

There are loads of people who have grown up without the skills of being able to deal with regular shit, because they weren't exposed to it, or their parents did everything for them , who will now call their lack of coping skills a mental health issue, and I suppose it is, but then you get those with some like schizophrenia or whatever the new name for it is, who slip under the radar because they don't even realise they need help. I've a theory that goes through less someone has suffered the more self entitled they seem to be

My Mrs' daughter is likely to be a prime example of having no coping skills, because her dad died at a young age and her mom, understandably , has then over protected her. Case in point it's the granddad's funeral next Monday, but at 14 the family has decided she's too young to cope. So is only going to the churchy bit. I think I went to my first family funeral aged around 8 or 9. Times have changed and there are a lot of people who've grown up in a protective bubble.

However I think some of these protections have led to a lot of people expecting things in life to always be rosy.

Maybe the older generations did get some stuff wrong, but also maybe they got a lot right, but it's been thrown away as everyone is now super special and deserves an award for taking part sort of thing?

Lots of very good post here, hitting the nail on the head.

My wife and I both suffer from periods of depression with semi-regularity, but because we haven't had as much of a protective bubble, and frankly have experienced it enough now, that we have learnt to cope with those periods and now know exactly how to get past it by ourselves/together. Whereas someone who has been happy and content for their whole life, then suffers an horrific incident, or losing someone close to them etc, they simply won't know how to deal with that strife and will suffer a lot more because of it.

Also on anti-depressants, on my first real bad bout of depression, the first thing the doctor did was offer me pills. I didn't know any better so said yes to them, and it made the whole situation much worse. It just didn't make me feel anything, it was horrible. No sadness or grief or malaise, but also no happiness or joy or anything. I stopped taking them pretty quickly.

[Lurker#3]

The trouble with mental health is that it's all very personal, so you can't really treat everyone in the same way.

That level of tailored care is almost impossible to deliver unless paid for privately. It's not like a broken leg where there's a few variables to consider and so standardised care can be formulated.

One person's mental health issue is another's breaking point and another's just crack on with it, how can any national health provider deal with that?

Lots of very good points raised on here about it.

There are loads of people who have grown up without the skills of being able to deal with regular shit, because they weren't exposed to it, or their parents did everything for them , who will now call their lack of coping skills a mental health issue, and I suppose it is, but then you get those with some like schizophrenia or whatever the new name for it is, who slip under the radar because they don't even realise they need help. I've a theory that goes through less someone has suffered the more self entitled they seem to be

My Mrs' daughter is likely to be a prime example of having no coping skills, because her dad died at a young age and her mom, understandably , has then over protected her. Case in point it's the granddad's funeral next Monday, but at 14 the family has decided she's too young to cope. So is only going to the churchy bit. I think I went to my first family funeral aged around 8 or 9. Times have changed and there are a lot of people who've grown up in a protective bubble.

However I think some of these protections have led to a lot of people expecting things in life to always be rosy.

Maybe the older generations did get some stuff wrong, but also maybe they got a lot right, but it's been thrown away as everyone is now super special and deserves an award for taking part sort of thing?

Lots of very good post here, hitting the nail on the head.

My wife and I both suffer from periods of depression with semi-regularity, but because we haven't had as much of a protective bubble, and frankly have experienced it enough now, that we have learnt to cope with those periods and now know exactly how to get past it by ourselves/together. Whereas someone who has been happy and content for their whole life, then suffers an horrific incident, or losing someone close to them etc, they simply won't know how to deal with that strife and will suffer a lot more because of it.

Also on anti-depressants, on my first real bad bout of depression, the first thing the doctor did was offer me pills. I didn't know any better so said yes to them, and it made the whole situation much worse. It just didn't make me feel anything, it was horrible. No sadness or grief or malaise, but also no happiness or joy or anything. I stopped taking them pretty quickly.

I have ADHD and have just been (informally) diagnosed with cyclothymia by an old colleague of mine who has a PHD in sports psychology who has worked with me since we left uni to more understand my brain. I have never gone to my GP or NHS as the effects of my disorders doesn't have any real adverse effects on how I want to/do live my life, or how I perform in my work and social life. 

With regards to my cyclothymia, I have been monitoring my mood swings for nearly 2 years, and they are very defined. Every5-7 weeks I have a period of poor sleep which usually lasts about 3 nights, before my mood drops for 3-5 days, with 1/2 of those days being quite debilitating. When I have 2 poor nights sleep in a row I stop drinking fully, I reduce screen time almost completely away from work, and I eat as perfectly as possible. Does it stop the period of low mood? No. But it does help me moderate its effects and I seem to recover quicker. 

Many people do not, in today's world, take that level of responsibility for their own wellbeing. They don't make any real changes to their lives they just use it as an excuse for poor behaviours and outcomes whilst looking at the state for support. This low/moderate level of MH is probably 75% of cases within the population and it saturates the service so the real acute cases fall through the cracks.