Takeover
#51
(11-06-2023, 10:51 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:38 AM)CaptainFantastico Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:35 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:22 AM)Remi_Moses Wrote: If I was thinking of buying us I certainly wouldn't buy until after the transfer window was over.
Once players have been sold and promotion looks impossible the price will fall and limited further investment wouldn't be excessive until the summer.

Would it not make more sense to buy in a strong position where promotion is possible with a little investment?

The money you'd save waiting would need to be spent on getting the squad back up to the required standard anyway, and you've lost a season on your investment.

I'd say half way on that. Where promotion is fairly likely with a measured investment.

It's already looking like automatic might be a long shot given how the top two are playing but a comparatively small investment should be enough to secure a play-off spot and once you're there who knows what'll happen?

Alternatively you have to wait a minimum of 18 months to see a return on the investment, and even then there are no guarantees.

Yeah good summary. I guess it's also about how much they may be willing to underwrite new contracts for those we may still want to keep. Kipre, Mowatt etc
Someone could have been killed
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#52
(11-06-2023, 10:51 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:38 AM)CaptainFantastico Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:35 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:22 AM)Remi_Moses Wrote: If I was thinking of buying us I certainly wouldn't buy until after the transfer window was over.
Once players have been sold and promotion looks impossible the price will fall and limited further investment wouldn't be excessive until the summer.

Would it not make more sense to buy in a strong position where promotion is possible with a little investment?

The money you'd save waiting would need to be spent on getting the squad back up to the required standard anyway, and you've lost a season on your investment.

I'd say half way on that. Where promotion is fairly likely with a measured investment.

It's already looking like automatic might be a long shot given how the top two are playing but a comparatively small investment should be enough to secure a play-off spot and once you're there who knows what'll happen?

Alternatively you have to wait a minimum of 18 months to see a return on the investment, and even then there are no guarantees.

I don't disagree with the buy it now, short term investment and get promotion from the supporters point of view. But that's not what I see happening. Business has very little to do with the fans.
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#53
(11-06-2023, 11:33 AM)Remi_Moses Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:51 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:38 AM)CaptainFantastico Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:35 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:22 AM)Remi_Moses Wrote: If I was thinking of buying us I certainly wouldn't buy until after the transfer window was over.
Once players have been sold and promotion looks impossible the price will fall and limited further investment wouldn't be excessive until the summer.

Would it not make more sense to buy in a strong position where promotion is possible with a little investment?

The money you'd save waiting would need to be spent on getting the squad back up to the required standard anyway, and you've lost a season on your investment.

I'd say half way on that. Where promotion is fairly likely with a measured investment.

It's already looking like automatic might be a long shot given how the top two are playing but a comparatively small investment should be enough to secure a play-off spot and once you're there who knows what'll happen?

Alternatively you have to wait a minimum of 18 months to see a return on the investment, and even then there are no guarantees.

I don't disagree with the buy it now, short term investment and get promotion from the supporters point of view. But that's not what I see happening. Business has very little to do with the fans.

No but it has everything to do with identifying opportunities and moving at the right time.

Why wait for a £20m or so price drop when you'd only need to spend that to rebuild the squad after a fire sale? And have your investment doing nothing for an extra year?
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#54
(11-06-2023, 11:37 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:33 AM)Remi_Moses Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:51 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:38 AM)CaptainFantastico Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:35 AM)Duffers Wrote: Would it not make more sense to buy in a strong position where promotion is possible with a little investment?

The money you'd save waiting would need to be spent on getting the squad back up to the required standard anyway, and you've lost a season on your investment.

I'd say half way on that. Where promotion is fairly likely with a measured investment.

It's already looking like automatic might be a long shot given how the top two are playing but a comparatively small investment should be enough to secure a play-off spot and once you're there who knows what'll happen?

Alternatively you have to wait a minimum of 18 months to see a return on the investment, and even then there are no guarantees.

I don't disagree with the buy it now, short term investment and get promotion from the supporters point of view. But that's not what I see happening. Business has very little to do with the fans.

No but it has everything to do with identifying opportunities and moving at the right time.

Why wait for a £20m or so price drop when you'd only need to spend that to rebuild the squad after a fire sale? And have your investment doing nothing for an extra year?

Exactly. We've got a competitive team right now, with several difference makers waiting to come back in to the team.

We have no idea what the squad will look like on Feb 1st with no investment, but chances are we lose a majority of our key players, that any buyer will just have to replace anyway.

What's £20m difference in price, when the reward for getting promoted is £100m (ish)?!
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#55
(11-06-2023, 10:51 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:38 AM)CaptainFantastico Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:35 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:22 AM)Remi_Moses Wrote: If I was thinking of buying us I certainly wouldn't buy until after the transfer window was over.
Once players have been sold and promotion looks impossible the price will fall and limited further investment wouldn't be excessive until the summer.

Would it not make more sense to buy in a strong position where promotion is possible with a little investment?

The money you'd save waiting would need to be spent on getting the squad back up to the required standard anyway, and you've lost a season on your investment.

I'd say half way on that. Where promotion is fairly likely with a measured investment.

It's already looking like automatic might be a long shot given how the top two are playing but a comparatively small investment should be enough to secure a play-off spot and once you're there who knows what'll happen?

Alternatively you have to wait a minimum of 18 months to see a return on the investment, and even then there are no guarantees.

Ipswich will fall back into the chasing pack.  Leicester should be safe
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#56
(11-06-2023, 11:44 AM)AnelkasBeard Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:37 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:33 AM)Remi_Moses Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:51 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:38 AM)CaptainFantastico Wrote: I'd say half way on that. Where promotion is fairly likely with a measured investment.

It's already looking like automatic might be a long shot given how the top two are playing but a comparatively small investment should be enough to secure a play-off spot and once you're there who knows what'll happen?

Alternatively you have to wait a minimum of 18 months to see a return on the investment, and even then there are no guarantees.

I don't disagree with the buy it now, short term investment and get promotion from the supporters point of view. But that's not what I see happening. Business has very little to do with the fans.

No but it has everything to do with identifying opportunities and moving at the right time.

Why wait for a £20m or so price drop when you'd only need to spend that to rebuild the squad after a fire sale? And have your investment doing nothing for an extra year?

Exactly. We've got a competitive team right now, with several difference makers waiting to come back in to the team.

We have no idea what the squad will look like on Feb 1st with no investment, but chances are we lose a majority of our key players, that any buyer will just have to replace anyway.

What's £20m difference in price, when the reward for getting promoted is £100m (ish)?!

Ok why don't we have a queue of eager buyers.
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#57
(11-06-2023, 12:06 PM)Remi_Moses Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:44 AM)AnelkasBeard Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:37 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:33 AM)Remi_Moses Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:51 AM)Duffers Wrote: It's already looking like automatic might be a long shot given how the top two are playing but a comparatively small investment should be enough to secure a play-off spot and once you're there who knows what'll happen?

Alternatively you have to wait a minimum of 18 months to see a return on the investment, and even then there are no guarantees.

I don't disagree with the buy it now, short term investment and get promotion from the supporters point of view. But that's not what I see happening. Business has very little to do with the fans.

No but it has everything to do with identifying opportunities and moving at the right time.

Why wait for a £20m or so price drop when you'd only need to spend that to rebuild the squad after a fire sale? And have your investment doing nothing for an extra year?

Exactly. We've got a competitive team right now, with several difference makers waiting to come back in to the team.

We have no idea what the squad will look like on Feb 1st with no investment, but chances are we lose a majority of our key players, that any buyer will just have to replace anyway.

What's £20m difference in price, when the reward for getting promoted is £100m (ish)?!

Ok why don't we have a queue of eager buyers.
We may have.
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#58
(11-06-2023, 12:06 PM)Remi_Moses Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:44 AM)AnelkasBeard Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:37 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:33 AM)Remi_Moses Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:51 AM)Duffers Wrote: It's already looking like automatic might be a long shot given how the top two are playing but a comparatively small investment should be enough to secure a play-off spot and once you're there who knows what'll happen?

Alternatively you have to wait a minimum of 18 months to see a return on the investment, and even then there are no guarantees.

I don't disagree with the buy it now, short term investment and get promotion from the supporters point of view. But that's not what I see happening. Business has very little to do with the fans.

No but it has everything to do with identifying opportunities and moving at the right time.

Why wait for a £20m or so price drop when you'd only need to spend that to rebuild the squad after a fire sale? And have your investment doing nothing for an extra year?

Exactly. We've got a competitive team right now, with several difference makers waiting to come back in to the team.

We have no idea what the squad will look like on Feb 1st with no investment, but chances are we lose a majority of our key players, that any buyer will just have to replace anyway.

What's £20m difference in price, when the reward for getting promoted is £100m (ish)?!

Ok why don't we have a queue of eager buyers.

None of us have any clue if we do or don't, or what stage potential offers may be at.

If this rumour is to be believed, they seem eager, no?
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#59
(11-06-2023, 12:06 PM)Remi_Moses Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:44 AM)AnelkasBeard Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:37 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:33 AM)Remi_Moses Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 10:51 AM)Duffers Wrote: It's already looking like automatic might be a long shot given how the top two are playing but a comparatively small investment should be enough to secure a play-off spot and once you're there who knows what'll happen?

Alternatively you have to wait a minimum of 18 months to see a return on the investment, and even then there are no guarantees.

I don't disagree with the buy it now, short term investment and get promotion from the supporters point of view. But that's not what I see happening. Business has very little to do with the fans.

No but it has everything to do with identifying opportunities and moving at the right time.

Why wait for a £20m or so price drop when you'd only need to spend that to rebuild the squad after a fire sale? And have your investment doing nothing for an extra year?

Exactly. We've got a competitive team right now, with several difference makers waiting to come back in to the team.

We have no idea what the squad will look like on Feb 1st with no investment, but chances are we lose a majority of our key players, that any buyer will just have to replace anyway.

What's £20m difference in price, when the reward for getting promoted is £100m (ish)?!

Ok why don't we have a queue of eager buyers.

We have (had) more than one serious party in the process
Someone could have been killed
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#60
(11-06-2023, 12:18 PM)CaptainFantastico Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 12:06 PM)Remi_Moses Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:44 AM)AnelkasBeard Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:37 AM)Duffers Wrote:
(11-06-2023, 11:33 AM)Remi_Moses Wrote: I don't disagree with the buy it now, short term investment and get promotion from the supporters point of view. But that's not what I see happening. Business has very little to do with the fans.

No but it has everything to do with identifying opportunities and moving at the right time.

Why wait for a £20m or so price drop when you'd only need to spend that to rebuild the squad after a fire sale? And have your investment doing nothing for an extra year?

Exactly. We've got a competitive team right now, with several difference makers waiting to come back in to the team.

We have no idea what the squad will look like on Feb 1st with no investment, but chances are we lose a majority of our key players, that any buyer will just have to replace anyway.

What's £20m difference in price, when the reward for getting promoted is £100m (ish)?!

Ok why don't we have a queue of eager buyers.

We have (had) more than one serious party in the process

Mike Ashley is a serious buyer who has the cash but, would rather buy Reading. This should answer all the questions.
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