UK Covid death toll

[Derek Hardballs]

From the Metro the stupidity of not getting vaccinated…

Professor Sir Andrew Pollard's intervention comes with various medics working in hospital expressing similar concerns – with some saying their patience is ‘wearing thin’ with anti-vaxxers and the amount of resources the NHS is spending on people who have not been jabbed.

While more than 88% of people aged 12 and over have now had a first dose, that leaves millions unprotected – and potentially at risk of serious illness and death.

Earlier this month, an anaesthetist told the @MetroUK about working in intensive care amid the strain from Covid, which he said had left ‘the NHS is teetering on its edge’.

Dr Ed Patrick wrote in an opinion piece: ‘I looked around and realised that almost all of my patients were suffering from Covid-19 – and nearly every one of them was unvaccinated.’

He added: ‘I meet a lot of healthy people who think they’re bulletproof and can’t get taken down by this virus. Many are young – in their 20s, 30s and 40s – yet they’re struggling to breathe, even with lots of oxygen.’

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Dr Ed added: ‘Seeing an unvaccinated patient is incredibly frustrating and sad. Frustrating because the vaccine probably would have prevented this, sad because I know what’s likely to be next for them.'

but body autonomy!

[backsidebaggie]

The vaccine, and repeated boosters indefinitely, will be mandated in the end. Or at the very least required to such a degree it’s virtually impossible to have any kind of normal life.

It’s not hard to see how governments are edging towards this. Debates on, for example, whether people working with the vulnerable require it are only one aspect of a much bigger issue IMO, as that’s just a stepping stone - a job that’s easier to mandate first. There’s way too many things happened that don’t make sense for me to trust any government right now. In my opinion they’re boiling the frog slowly.

Unless something very significant happens and there’s a big change in direction, it’s a booster every year for life or second class living. The state will decide.

Whether people are happy for the state to decide on medical treatment/vaccines should be the question people ask themselves, whatever their feelings on this particular jab. I know how I stand on this, but I’d just say whatever anyone’s opinion, there’s a bigger picture. This isn’t just about the covid jab, so don’t make your mind up based on only that. In my opinion.

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The most baffling part for me, undoubtedly, is why we don't acknowledge that recovery from COVID gives protection from COVID. That is a fact. It's not complete protection but then neither is the vaccine. Why is this information not being used at all when informing public policy?

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Who’d have thought it? I was told a few posts ago that this policy on care staff was common sense. Really??? Absolute madness IMO, when testing has worked fine. NHS next, then other jobs IMO.

Holy Moly bb, you really need to pack in the tin hat theories. Johnson, Hancock and whoever was on the podium that day made stupid unpromisable promises on a regular basis, nothing changed the trajectory of what was needed until the jab came in. Now we have the jab we are still learning but IMO not far off, we appear to have stumbled into a solution in that we have high numbers of jabbed aligned with high number with immunity from having had covid. This appears to be keeping the hospitalisations at a steady level (just over 6k today compared with just over 5k at the start of August) despite the fact we are running as normal in virtually every sense (not certain where you feel it is virtually impossible to have any sort of normal life). I imagine that they are being over cautious going into winter because we simply don't know how it will go, I expect it to increase but not to previous levels, hence why there is such a big focus on getting the vaccine.

And as for care homes, if you think that care homes weren't always leaving people in their pyjamas until tea time or putting them in someone else's clothes regularly then you haven't been paying much attention. There has always been a job shortage in the sector, that doesn't mean it is sensible at this point to have someone unvaccinated and caring for the vulnerable. 

You've been banging on about the conspiracy theory that this is a government control conspiracy driven by what we can't say, but it really is the government reflecting what the majority of society think. If it does help I do believe that by spring I think they will recognise that a combination of the jab and previous infections will mean that we can get back to normal and this is why they have put the NHS date back to April 1st so that they can see how the winter goes. If I'm wrong I'll join the resistance with you and fight them on the barricades.

Numbers in hospital down to 6,062 in England after being 7,291 on the 3rd Nov, 5,017 on the 29th Sept, 6,236 on the 1st Sept and 4,944 on the 4th August - all pretty steady but expect it to grow over the next few months.

I haven’t mentioned anything that’s a conspiracy theory. Not a jot. I’ve backed up everything I’ve said, whether you agree or not. To label it tin foil hat is lazy and not fair in the slightest.

I’ve pointed out many things that don’t add up, lies, and policies that don’t “follow the science.” That’s not tin foil hat.

I’ve predicted what I think will happen with mandations. Thats a prediction. If I’m wrong, great. Time will tell. But if I am right, I suspect many will defend it with “anyone who thought this wouldn’t be required needs to give their head a wobble etc…”. As I say, I hope I’m wrong. But I have not based any of this on conspiracy theories. I’ve based it on the pattern of what’s happened and how I see things going around the world. Disagree fine, but labelling any of this as a conspiracy theory is unfair and wrong.

As for care homes, this mandate is making the shortage worse. That’s a fact. It’s madness when testing has worked fine.

And DH: listing stories of tragic deaths and pressure on the nhs due to “anti vaxxers” does not mean bodily autonomy is not fundamental to many people. We all make choices, and many are bad fir our health. That’s life. It doesn’t matter if you or I think peoples choices are stupid, or not stupid. It’s irrelevant. To list articles about the negatives impact of peoples choices, even if bad choices, and then say “but bodily autonomy”? Ridiculous. We all want the choice to eat what we want, drink what we want, do risky sports if we want etc. Many of those choices will have negative impacts on our health. That doesn’t mean the state should decide what we do with our bodies. Your post was frankly ridiculous.

[baggy1]

How many care workers have actually lost their jobs because of this bb? The article linked was pretty light on that bit of detail. The government u-turns and policy changes are simply down to two things, they don't know what is going to happen so trying to predict a pandemic has proven more difficult than they could deal with 3 word slogans, and they are fucking idiots - that has got nothing to do with how the pandemic needs to be handled and going into winter we need all hands at the pump.

And as for your predictions you were predicting we'd be back in lockdown and there would be riots on the streets of London and riots on the streets of Birmingham. You wonder to yourself if life can ever be sane again well it will be

[keef]

Its simple for me the nhs has looked after me for more years than i care to remember  in the past if they told me to take a prescriptiion  i took it if they told me to be vaccinated i did so and i am still hear
they told me i should get a covid jab so i did 
why would we argue with the nhs  I trust the nhs

[backsidebaggie]

How many care workers have actually lost their jobs because of this bb? The article linked was pretty light on that bit of detail. The government u-turns and policy changes are simply down to two things, they don't know what is going to happen so trying to predict a pandemic has proven more difficult than they could deal with 3 word slogans, and they are fucking idiots - that has got nothing to do with how the pandemic needs to be handled and going into winter we need all hands at the pump.

And as for your predictions you were predicting we'd be back in lockdown and there would be riots on the streets of London and riots on the streets of Birmingham. You wonder to yourself if life can ever be sane again well it will be

Many thousands have left as there’s lots of minimum wage jobs to get as alternatives. Enough people in the sector have said the mandates have made the shortages worse. There are many thousands who are affected by it, unless they’re not enforcing it? But I believe they are.

I did predict we’d be back in lockdown/restrictions and I’m glad I’m wrong so far. So far….

I also did predict riots… and they’re literally happening in some places around Europe only the last few days, for the very reasons I thought they may happen here - passports, mandations, more lockdowns. Literally exactly what I thought would happen, but admittedly not here yet. Well, let’s see what happens in Austria and others…. And see if it follows here.

Keef: and that’s brilliant, because you thought it through, and made your choice based on the very good reasons you’ve given. But the key is, you made your choice. That’s exactly why I believe mandations are wrong, because it’s fundamental that you could make that choice, or another choice if you wanted, based on your experiences and your evidence. And you did the right thing for you.

[Derek Hardballs]

Its simple for me the nhs has looked after me for more years than i care to remember  in the past if they told me to take a prescriptiion  i took it if they told me to be vaccinated i did so and i am still hear
they told me i should get a covid jab so i did 
why would we argue with the nhs  I trust the nhs

Cuz they dun their research… 

Translation they have read bullshit on Twitter and Facebook and watched YouTube ‘experts’.

[backsidebaggie]

Its simple for me the nhs has looked after me for more years than i care to remember  in the past if they told me to take a prescriptiion  i took it if they told me to be vaccinated i did so and i am still hear
they told me i should get a covid jab so i did 
why would we argue with the nhs  I trust the nhs

Cuz they dun their research… 

Translation they have read bullshit on Twitter and Facebook and watched YouTube ‘experts’.

And DH throws in the usual label that people who have made a different decision are idiots who made their decision based on YouTube. Jesus Christ, pathetic. You are completely enveloped in the divide I have talked about by presuming millions of people have made a decision based on YouTube and are idiots, when that is simply not the case. But you love grouping and stereotyping, you revel in such division and I’m sure whatever anyone’s opinion on this, most posters realise that such a generalisation is immature, inaccurate and divisive.

[Derek Hardballs]

Its simple for me the nhs has looked after me for more years than i care to remember  in the past if they told me to take a prescriptiion  i took it if they told me to be vaccinated i did so and i am still hear
they told me i should get a covid jab so i did 
why would we argue with the nhs  I trust the nhs

Cuz they dun their research… 

Translation they have read bullshit on Twitter and Facebook and watched YouTube ‘experts’.

And DH throws in the usual label that people who have made a different decision are idiots who made their decision based on YouTube. Jesus Christ, pathetic. You are completely enveloped in the divide I have talked about by presuming millions of people have made a decision based on YouTube and are idiots, when that is simply not the case. But you love grouping and stereotyping, you revel in such division and I’m sure whatever anyone’s opinion on this, most posters realise that such a generalisation is immature, inaccurate and divisive.

Have you read the summary from the Doctors on the front line I posted from the Metro? It goes some way to dispelling nonsense that they don’t care if people haven’t had the vaccine and that it doesn’t effect younger non vaccinated people. I don’t care what mental gymnastics those who refuse to have the jab take. It’s an irresponsible position with no basis in science or logic. I’ve given up with the niceties. How much more education and understanding do they need to see having the vaccine helps not only them but others?

[baggiebuckster]

France now announced that booster jabs for everyone over 18 and Covid passes expire if the booster not taken. Another conspiracy theory coming true. The message is becoming clearer by the day around the world - Get whatever jabs the Govt tell you or have your life restricted.

[Derek Hardballs]

France now announced that booster jabs for everyone over 18 and Covid passes expire if the booster not taken. Another conspiracy theory coming true. The message is becoming clearer by the day around the world -  Get whatever jabs the Govt tell you or have your life restricted.

The message from a growing number of countries is clear, we are fed up with people prolonging Covid hospitalisations and putting others at higher risk by refusing to do the responsible thing.