Brighton.

[backsidebaggie]

Yes you are spot on. Thank god we have Allardyce and Dowling at the helm instead. Don't know why the FA took Ashworth from us, he was obviously rubbish! Who needs signings like Odemwingie and Mulumbu when you can sign Zohore.

And don't get me started on Potter. Took over Ostersund in Sweden and got promoted three times, won the Swedish Cup, qualified for the Europa League and beat Arsenal. All this on a very limited budget.

And first season at Brighton he took them to their highest Premier League finish.

Praised by Bielsa and Guardiola as a fantastic coach (what do they know?)

Bang average.

They've had 3 seasons in the prem in total, finished 15th, 17th, 15th. The third was Potter's season. Hardly groundbreaking.

He's been par for the course given the money they've spent and their wage bill. He's done ok. He's not shit, he's not great, he's just done ok.

[SW4Baggie]

Brighton have Potter and Ashworth while we have dumb and dumber.

Dumb and Dumber? More like Laurel & Hardy.

Little and Large

Shit and Piss

Cannot believe the Potter love in. 

The bloke is a an average manager who because he is thought of as a "thinker" because he showed a video of deer to his players (if I remember correctly)  is lionised by some.

He did well in Sweden with money (but hasn't demonstrated any significant of the game in that region as he hasn't brought any young players over from there as far as know). 

Only reason he hasn't been relegated is because he had Hughton's defence, apart from Webster (who spent a fortune for). 

And for playing Liverpool off the park? 

They had a 3 of their normal back 5 out and have been mediocre of late without them, and even then they won when a bad clearance hit  2 bha players and went in. 

The bloke is the British version of the dingle, stale solbakken, in that a lot think he is great because of his exploits at other clubs, but he actually does fuck all here. 

And on the subject of Ashworth, when did he become this all seeing football Eye. The bloke said no to Aubameyang and van dijk and brought in a lot of expensive (in our terms) shite like zuvi, etc, etc. 

If he was only in charge of our youths then we had one in berahino.

If he was so great why did England not fight to keep him? 

We try to blame the loss of people like him for our current predicament when we all should know that the game is about investment in players and the scouting networks you put in place (all which costs millions we never spend because our owners are in it for themselves and not our great club). 

Structures that we had when our France based scout asked Ashworth to watch Auba and he said he was not good enough after watching him. The same when van dijk was recommended to him by our Scotland based scout. 

But, Scott Allen was good enough according to him.

There is so much shit posted in this I don’t really know where to begin.

1. Money in Sweden? The bloke who owned the club is being investigated for financial misdemeanours but they’re nothing to do with pumping money into the club... whilst they may have had a comparative budget in the lower leagues, they were on a shoestring compared to the other top flight clubs they were beating... and even more so in Europe.
2. Hughton’s defence? They conceded more under CH.
3. Big Sam was lionised for grinding out a draw under similar circumstances... Brighton attacked Liverpool and deserved their win. 
4. Solbakken spent fortunes at Wolves and took them down again... Potter had a squad sold from under him, yet stopped them going  into free fall, had to use a lot of youngsters and ended up selling James abs McBurnie for £35m in the summer which enabled Cooper to have expensive loans and keep players like Ayew... Cooper also benefitted from the youth having a season under their belt.. yup.. identical.
5. Every football club has a similar story... crucially unlike many others however we signed players that were successes instead of Wnger style “oh I nearly signed him” for years later.
6. We had absolutely no youth system when DA arrived, Danny Gabbidon was our one export... when he left we had a Category 1 academy... this takes years to do, and we are now seeing the fruits of it... along with the top 4
7. He left England because after 5-6 years he wanted a fresh challenge and return to the PL. Bigger clubs than Brighton courted him but they offered him the control and blank slate he wanted. 
8. His scouting system was torn up and replaced when he left as McDonut thought he had a better system... we realised the mistake and reverted to his system, unfortunately it was grossly out of date (hence Ideye)... in the meantime clubs around us caught up whilst we went backwards.
6. I don’t think Ashworth was DoF when we signed Zuiverloon.
7. Pulis rejected Van Dijk... Fletcher recommended him, many years after Ashworth left. When Ashworth left us, VDV had played less than 30 senior games in Holland... 
8. We paid about £200k for Scott Allan. FFS.

Other than that, decent post.

[Korenavirus]

Dumb and Dumber? More like Laurel & Hardy.

Little and Large

Shit and Piss

Cannot believe the Potter love in. 

The bloke is a an average manager who because he is thought of as a "thinker" because he showed a video of deer to his players (if I remember correctly)  is lionised by some.

He did well in Sweden with money (but hasn't demonstrated any significant of the game in that region as he hasn't brought any young players over from there as far as know). 

Only reason he hasn't been relegated is because he had Hughton's defence, apart from Webster (who spent a fortune for). 

And for playing Liverpool off the park? 

They had a 3 of their normal back 5 out and have been mediocre of late without them, and even then they won when a bad clearance hit  2 bha players and went in. 

The bloke is the British version of the dingle, stale solbakken, in that a lot think he is great because of his exploits at other clubs, but he actually does fuck all here. 

And on the subject of Ashworth, when did he become this all seeing football Eye. The bloke said no to Aubameyang and van dijk and brought in a lot of expensive (in our terms) shite like zuvi, etc, etc. 

If he was only in charge of our youths then we had one in berahino.

If he was so great why did England not fight to keep him? 

We try to blame the loss of people like him for our current predicament when we all should know that the game is about investment in players and the scouting networks you put in place (all which costs millions we never spend because our owners are in it for themselves and not our great club). 

Structures that we had when our France based scout asked Ashworth to watch Auba and he said he was not good enough after watching him. The same when van dijk was recommended to him by our Scotland based scout. 

But, Scott Allen was good enough according to him.

There is so much shit posted in this I don’t really know where to begin.

1. Money in Sweden? The bloke who owned the club is being investigated for financial misdemeanours but they’re nothing to do with pumping money into the club... whilst they may have had a comparative budget in the lower leagues, they were on a shoestring compared to the other top flight clubs they were beating... and even more so in Europe.
2. Hughton’s defence? They conceded more under CH.
3. Big Sam was lionised for grinding out a draw under similar circumstances... Brighton attacked Liverpool and deserved their win. 
4. Solbakken spent fortunes at Wolves and took them down again... Potter had a squad sold from under him, yet stopped them going  into free fall, had to use a lot of youngsters and ended up selling James abs McBurnie for £35m in the summer which enabled Cooper to have expensive loans and keep players like Ayew... Cooper also benefitted from the youth having a season under their belt.. yup.. identical.
5. Every football club has a similar story... crucially unlike many others however we signed players that were successes instead of Wnger style “oh I nearly signed him” for years later.
6. We had absolutely no youth system when DA arrived, Danny Gabbidon was our one export... when he left we had a Category 1 academy... this takes years to do, and we are now seeing the fruits of it... along with the top 4
7. He left England because after 5-6 years he wanted a fresh challenge and return to the PL. Bigger clubs than Brighton courted him but they offered him the control and blank slate he wanted. 
8. His scouting system was torn up and replaced when he left as McDonut thought he had a better system... we realised the mistake and reverted to his system, unfortunately it was grossly out of date (hence Ideye)... in the meantime clubs around us caught up whilst we went backwards.
6. I don’t think Ashworth was DoF when we signed Zuiverloon.
7. Pulis rejected Van Dijk... Fletcher recommended him, many years after Ashworth left. When Ashworth left us, VDV had played less than 30 senior games in Holland... 
8. We paid about £200k for Scott Allan. FFS.

Other than that, decent post.

You should know about writing shit, as you write a lot of it. 

Here's an article about how the owner DID STEAL MONEY and put it into the club. I conversed with someone from Sweden and he said potter's team was despised for spending money they didn't generate.

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/11/18...nightmare/

Furthermore, what exactly did Ashworth do revolutionary that other clubs who had prem money didn't do?

He set up a cat one academy, following the cat one regulations set out by the FA to get it. 

He was there when Zuvi and the rest of shite came in with mogga. 

You totally ignored the Auba rejection that this magician didn't spot.

Truth is anyone can set up a cat one to fa regulations and guidelines, and most importantly MONEY.

You have to have MONEY to get top scouts. 

Those scouts recommend and then he said no to Auba whilst he said yes to a load of shite players. 

We only started to maintain a stay in the prem when we moved away from his buy them cheap pile them high when we started to pay for proven, been there, done that pros. like Scharner and Shorey, etc, etc. 

We had a great scouting network and youth development before in the 80's producing Eng. Internationals like Palmer and Burrows. Did Ashworth set that up to as a toddler? 

We then were skint for many years until prem money came and even in that time we produced Oliver, and the chambers brothers. 

So you list all the players the genius Ashworth and is fabled academy produced apart from Bera? 

Even the ones who have been poached have done fuck all in the game and hopefully it continues with the cunt Barry. 

What the fuck happened where a fucking suit is credited with all that has been good in the last 20 years. 

Oh Mcdonnagh ripped up the Ashworth masterplan, that created eh, fooooook all.

Ps I won't even mention the entire team that was sold from under him at Swansea as you claim. Do the names Ayew and Van Der Hoorne mean anything without looking at the rest of the team. And potter was brilliant in how set up the Swansea youth system whilst in Sweden, as McBurnie was already there when he went to the swans.
Giving credit to what he did at Swansea (which was nothing) BTW and tagging onto what pep says about any manager before he plays them is sad.

Use your own eyes and see what he did. He spent big on Webster and bought the top scorer in the championship in Maupay. Hardly visionary.

[SW4Baggie]

Little and Large

Shit and Piss

Cannot believe the Potter love in. 

The bloke is a an average manager who because he is thought of as a "thinker" because he showed a video of deer to his players (if I remember correctly)  is lionised by some.

He did well in Sweden with money (but hasn't demonstrated any significant of the game in that region as he hasn't brought any young players over from there as far as know). 

Only reason he hasn't been relegated is because he had Hughton's defence, apart from Webster (who spent a fortune for). 

And for playing Liverpool off the park? 

They had a 3 of their normal back 5 out and have been mediocre of late without them, and even then they won when a bad clearance hit  2 bha players and went in. 

The bloke is the British version of the dingle, stale solbakken, in that a lot think he is great because of his exploits at other clubs, but he actually does fuck all here. 

And on the subject of Ashworth, when did he become this all seeing football Eye. The bloke said no to Aubameyang and van dijk and brought in a lot of expensive (in our terms) shite like zuvi, etc, etc. 

If he was only in charge of our youths then we had one in berahino.

If he was so great why did England not fight to keep him? 

We try to blame the loss of people like him for our current predicament when we all should know that the game is about investment in players and the scouting networks you put in place (all which costs millions we never spend because our owners are in it for themselves and not our great club). 

Structures that we had when our France based scout asked Ashworth to watch Auba and he said he was not good enough after watching him. The same when van dijk was recommended to him by our Scotland based scout. 

But, Scott Allen was good enough according to him.

There is so much shit posted in this I don’t really know where to begin.

1. Money in Sweden? The bloke who owned the club is being investigated for financial misdemeanours but they’re nothing to do with pumping money into the club... whilst they may have had a comparative budget in the lower leagues, they were on a shoestring compared to the other top flight clubs they were beating... and even more so in Europe.
2. Hughton’s defence? They conceded more under CH.
3. Big Sam was lionised for grinding out a draw under similar circumstances... Brighton attacked Liverpool and deserved their win. 
4. Solbakken spent fortunes at Wolves and took them down again... Potter had a squad sold from under him, yet stopped them going  into free fall, had to use a lot of youngsters and ended up selling James abs McBurnie for £35m in the summer which enabled Cooper to have expensive loans and keep players like Ayew... Cooper also benefitted from the youth having a season under their belt.. yup.. identical.
5. Every football club has a similar story... crucially unlike many others however we signed players that were successes instead of Wnger style “oh I nearly signed him” for years later.
6. We had absolutely no youth system when DA arrived, Danny Gabbidon was our one export... when he left we had a Category 1 academy... this takes years to do, and we are now seeing the fruits of it... along with the top 4
7. He left England because after 5-6 years he wanted a fresh challenge and return to the PL. Bigger clubs than Brighton courted him but they offered him the control and blank slate he wanted. 
8. His scouting system was torn up and replaced when he left as McDonut thought he had a better system... we realised the mistake and reverted to his system, unfortunately it was grossly out of date (hence Ideye)... in the meantime clubs around us caught up whilst we went backwards.
6. I don’t think Ashworth was DoF when we signed Zuiverloon.
7. Pulis rejected Van Dijk... Fletcher recommended him, many years after Ashworth left. When Ashworth left us, VDV had played less than 30 senior games in Holland... 
8. We paid about £200k for Scott Allan. FFS.

Other than that, decent post.

You should know about writing shit, as you write a lot of it. 

Here's an article about how the owner DID STEAL MONEY and put it into the club. I conversed with someone from Sweden and he said potter's team was despised for spending money they didn't generate.

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/11/18...nightmare/

Furthermore, what exactly did Ashworth do revolutionary that other clubs who had prem money didn't do?

He set up a cat one academy, following the cat one regulations set out by the FA to get it. 

He was there when Zuvi and the rest of shite came in with mogga. 

You totally ignored the Auba rejection that this magician didn't spot.

Truth is anyone can set up a cat one to fa regulations and guidelines, and most importantly MONEY.

You have to have MONEY to get top scouts. 

Those scouts recommend and then he said no to Auba whilst he said yes to a load of shite players. 

We only started to maintain a stay in the prem when we moved away from his buy them cheap pile them high when we started to pay for proven, been there, done that pros. like Scharner and Shorey, etc, etc. 

We had a great scouting network and youth development before in the 80's producing Eng. Internationals like Palmer and Burrows. Did Ashworth set that up to as a toddler? 

We then were skint for many years until prem money came and even in that time we produced Oliver, and the chambers brothers. 

So you list all the players the genius Ashworth and is fabled academy produced apart from Bera? 

Even the ones who have been poached have done fuck all in the game and hopefully it continues with the cunt Barry. 

What the fuck happened where a fucking suit is credited with all that has been good in the last 20 years. 

Oh Mcdonnagh ripped up the Ashworth masterplan, that created eh, fooooook all.

LOL. Wow, I thought you couldn't spout any more shit but it seems you can, and what's more you're getting very sweary and antagonised... 

Furthermore, what exactly did Ashworth do revolutionary that other clubs who had prem money didn't do?....
- Look at our net spend in that era, and look how much higher than our wage:turnover ratio we attained.... look at the medical infrastructure we put in place that allowed us to get games out of players without injuries? 
- Our model was essentially followed by those teams with money - we were the first to do it... Clubs like Southampton and Watford implemented the head coacg/DOF model and were successful in the PL following it... there's no shortage of articles on less obscure websites with people quoting how we were the model club...

He set up a cat one academy, following the cat one regulations set out by the FA to get it. 
Again this just isn't true... he actually wrote the Cat 1 academy rules and implemented it in 2012 with his Elite Player Performance proposal... the whole Cat 1-4 system was devised and introduced to the FA which he'd formulated whilst setting up our youth system. We were one of the first to get this accreditation due to, well we were already doing it...

He was there when Zuvi and the rest of shite came in with mogga. 
That's entirely true - my apologies. We wasted money on a good £2m on Zuiverloon. Such a shame we wasted money on Fortune, Mulumbu, Dorrans, Valero, Olsson that season too. Oh for such frivolous spending. I mean how dare his final gift to us be Yacob!

We only started to maintain a stay in the prem when we moved away from his buy them cheap pile them high when we started to pay for proven, been there, done that pros. like Scharner and Shorey, etc, etc. 
Indeed... when he was still in charge of recruitment, and when he saw off RDM and brought in Hodgson and the two of them brought in the likes of Long, McAuley and so on?  I mean as soon as we left and we made some wonderful experinced, proven players... Samaras, Anichebe, Sessegnon... wonderful servants

You totally ignored the Auba rejection that this magician didn't spot.
I didn't, I said, like every club, we have stories about players we missed out on... crucially we signed a bloody lot that were successes unlike people like Wenger who moaned on about nearly signing everyone... Also, Milan were desperately trying to get rid of Auba and when St Etienne got him for peanuts, I'm sure there werent PL clubs flocking to scout him... we deserve credit for him even being on our radar... 

You have to have MONEY to get top scouts. 
The scouts we had were actually ones we'd had for quite some time.. White and what's his name... they were hardly big earners... we sacked them off under McDonut, and they went on to other PL clubs (think one of them heads up, or certainly did head up Burnley) and we spent a fucktonne more on McDonut's mates and then Thorny and his bartab... 

So you list all the players the genius Ashworth and is fabled academy produced apart from Bera? 
I must have missed how we held off Barca and PSG's attempts to lure away the Chambers brothers and Adam Oliver... Gosh what a success our academy had... And let's not pretend football now resembles the 80s... if you were a big lad and could run after 6 pints the night before you could hold your own in the 80s... reserve football under the floodlights aged 17 and you were away. 

Even the ones who have been poached have done fuck all in the game and hopefully it continues with the cunt Barry. 
I'd imagine that's more to do with the lack of a pathway to the first team from the academy. Alzate, White, Lamptey as young kids in other academies seem to have transitioned well into the Brighton first team... wonder who is in charge of that pathway? 

I hope this has answered your questions.

[Lillwall's left foot]

Who in there right mind has a beef with Dan Ashworth or Graham Potter?

I guess it must be their extensive footballing knowledge, well spoken interviews and ethos of playing attractive football whilst bringing through youth. Bastards!!

[Duffers]

Without reading all that guff is someone really knocking the job Ashworth did here??

Yes he signed some flops, but then so did Ferguson, Wenger, Clough, etc - nobody involved in football transfers has a 100% success rate. I doubt many even have 50%. As for Aubameyang, well again almost every club has had a look at a player who has gone on to great things at some point or other...

[Korenavirus]

Shit and Piss

Cannot believe the Potter love in. 

The bloke is a an average manager who because he is thought of as a "thinker" because he showed a video of deer to his players (if I remember correctly)  is lionised by some.

He did well in Sweden with money (but hasn't demonstrated any significant of the game in that region as he hasn't brought any young players over from there as far as know). 

Only reason he hasn't been relegated is because he had Hughton's defence, apart from Webster (who spent a fortune for). 

And for playing Liverpool off the park? 

They had a 3 of their normal back 5 out and have been mediocre of late without them, and even then they won when a bad clearance hit  2 bha players and went in. 

The bloke is the British version of the dingle, stale solbakken, in that a lot think he is great because of his exploits at other clubs, but he actually does fuck all here. 

And on the subject of Ashworth, when did he become this all seeing football Eye. The bloke said no to Aubameyang and van dijk and brought in a lot of expensive (in our terms) shite like zuvi, etc, etc. 

If he was only in charge of our youths then we had one in berahino.

If he was so great why did England not fight to keep him? 

We try to blame the loss of people like him for our current predicament when we all should know that the game is about investment in players and the scouting networks you put in place (all which costs millions we never spend because our owners are in it for themselves and not our great club). 

Structures that we had when our France based scout asked Ashworth to watch Auba and he said he was not good enough after watching him. The same when van dijk was recommended to him by our Scotland based scout. 

But, Scott Allen was good enough according to him.

There is so much shit posted in this I don’t really know where to begin.

1. Money in Sweden? The bloke who owned the club is being investigated for financial misdemeanours but they’re nothing to do with pumping money into the club... whilst they may have had a comparative budget in the lower leagues, they were on a shoestring compared to the other top flight clubs they were beating... and even more so in Europe.
2. Hughton’s defence? They conceded more under CH.
3. Big Sam was lionised for grinding out a draw under similar circumstances... Brighton attacked Liverpool and deserved their win. 
4. Solbakken spent fortunes at Wolves and took them down again... Potter had a squad sold from under him, yet stopped them going  into free fall, had to use a lot of youngsters and ended up selling James abs McBurnie for £35m in the summer which enabled Cooper to have expensive loans and keep players like Ayew... Cooper also benefitted from the youth having a season under their belt.. yup.. identical.
5. Every football club has a similar story... crucially unlike many others however we signed players that were successes instead of Wnger style “oh I nearly signed him” for years later.
6. We had absolutely no youth system when DA arrived, Danny Gabbidon was our one export... when he left we had a Category 1 academy... this takes years to do, and we are now seeing the fruits of it... along with the top 4
7. He left England because after 5-6 years he wanted a fresh challenge and return to the PL. Bigger clubs than Brighton courted him but they offered him the control and blank slate he wanted. 
8. His scouting system was torn up and replaced when he left as McDonut thought he had a better system... we realised the mistake and reverted to his system, unfortunately it was grossly out of date (hence Ideye)... in the meantime clubs around us caught up whilst we went backwards.
6. I don’t think Ashworth was DoF when we signed Zuiverloon.
7. Pulis rejected Van Dijk... Fletcher recommended him, many years after Ashworth left. When Ashworth left us, VDV had played less than 30 senior games in Holland... 
8. We paid about £200k for Scott Allan. FFS.

Other than that, decent post.

You should know about writing shit, as you write a lot of it. 

Here's an article about how the owner DID STEAL MONEY and put it into the club. I conversed with someone from Sweden and he said potter's team was despised for spending money they didn't generate.

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/11/18...nightmare/

Furthermore, what exactly did Ashworth do revolutionary that other clubs who had prem money didn't do?

He set up a cat one academy, following the cat one regulations set out by the FA to get it. 

He was there when Zuvi and the rest of shite came in with mogga. 

You totally ignored the Auba rejection that this magician didn't spot.

Truth is anyone can set up a cat one to fa regulations and guidelines, and most importantly MONEY.

You have to have MONEY to get top scouts. 

Those scouts recommend and then he said no to Auba whilst he said yes to a load of shite players. 

We only started to maintain a stay in the prem when we moved away from his buy them cheap pile them high when we started to pay for proven, been there, done that pros. like Scharner and Shorey, etc, etc. 

We had a great scouting network and youth development before in the 80's producing Eng. Internationals like Palmer and Burrows. Did Ashworth set that up to as a toddler? 

We then were skint for many years until prem money came and even in that time we produced Oliver, and the chambers brothers. 

So you list all the players the genius Ashworth and is fabled academy produced apart from Bera? 

Even the ones who have been poached have done fuck all in the game and hopefully it continues with the cunt Barry. 

What the fuck happened where a fucking suit is credited with all that has been good in the last 20 years. 

Oh Mcdonnagh ripped up the Ashworth masterplan, that created eh, fooooook all.

LOL. Wow, I thought you couldn't spout any more shit but it seems you can, and what's more you're getting very sweary and antagonised... 

Furthermore, what exactly did Ashworth do revolutionary that other clubs who had prem money didn't do?....
- Look at our net spend in that era, and look how much higher than our wage:turnover ratio we attained.... look at the medical infrastructure we put in place that allowed us to get games out of players without injuries? 
- Our model was essentially followed by those teams with money - we were the first to do it... Clubs like Southampton and Watford implemented the head coacg/DOF model and were successful in the PL following it... there's no shortage of articles on less obscure websites with people quoting how we were the model club...

He set up a cat one academy, following the cat one regulations set out by the FA to get it. 
Again this just isn't true... he actually wrote the Cat 1 academy rules and implemented it in 2012 with his Elite Player Performance proposal... the whole Cat 1-4 system was devised and introduced to the FA which he'd formulated whilst setting up our youth system. We were one of the first to get this accreditation due to, well we were already doing it...

He was there when Zuvi and the rest of shite came in with mogga. 
That's entirely true - my apologies. We wasted money on a good £2m on Zuiverloon. Such a shame we wasted money on Fortune, Mulumbu, Dorrans, Valero, Olsson that season too. Oh for such frivolous spending. I mean how dare his final gift to us be Yacob!

We only started to maintain a stay in the prem when we moved away from his buy them cheap pile them high when we started to pay for proven, been there, done that pros. like Scharner and Shorey, etc, etc. 
Indeed... when he was still in charge of recruitment, and when he saw off RDM and brought in Hodgson and the two of them brought in the likes of Long, McAuley and so on?  I mean as soon as we left and we made some wonderful experinced, proven players... Samaras, Anichebe, Sessegnon... wonderful servants

You totally ignored the Auba rejection that this magician didn't spot.
I didn't, I said, like every club, we have stories about players we missed out on... crucially we signed a bloody lot that were successes unlike people like Wenger who moaned on about nearly signing everyone... Also, Milan were desperately trying to get rid of Auba and when St Etienne got him for peanuts, I'm sure there werent PL clubs flocking to scout him... we deserve credit for him even being on our radar... 

You have to have MONEY to get top scouts. 
The scouts we had were actually ones we'd had for quite some time.. White and what's his name... they were hardly big earners... we sacked them off under McDonut, and they went on to other PL clubs (think one of them heads up, or certainly did head up Burnley) and we spent a fucktonne more on McDonut's mates and then Thorny and his bartab... 

So you list all the players the genius Ashworth and is fabled academy produced apart from Bera? 
I must have missed how we held off Barca and PSG's attempts to lure away the Chambers brothers and Adam Oliver... Gosh what a success our academy had... And let's not pretend football now resembles the 80s... if you were a big lad and could run after 6 pints the night before you could hold your own in the 80s... reserve football under the floodlights aged 17 and you were away. 

Even the ones who have been poached have done fuck all in the game and hopefully it continues with the cunt Barry. 
I'd imagine that's more to do with the lack of a pathway to the first team from the academy. Alzate, White, Lamptey as young kids in other academies seem to have transitioned well into the Brighton first team... wonder who is in charge of that pathway? 

I hope this has answered your questions.

No. Germany and Spain were doing youth development better than us for years he copied it. 

You are trying to attribute everything that has been done in youth development and injury prevention to in the last 10-15 years to someone who copied everything. 

He has not done anything original. 

The top clubs here and in Europe have had top youth set ups for years. Did Ashworth set up the Manchester United academy that produced the class of 92?

Was he the first to implement sports science in football!? 

No, he did neither he copied everyone who was doing it well, got the England job on Roy's recommendation and then left for mighty BHA (nowhere of merit).

As for the shite we signed after him, do you really want to go through all the shite he signed? (zuvi was £3.2m from what a recall not £2m and you to dismiss £200k on Allan is laughable given we haven't had a pot to piss in most of the time, add to that player we bought from Bury Worrall and you see the pattern, he was no football genius. 

We have much a much better history to be proud of than someone who used what was going on around the world and brought it to sandwell, which was copied by Southampton and Watford (which I doubt as their owners own clubs in Spain and Italy). 

Look to Vic Buckingham not DA. 

You're essentially saying that we don't have a pathway to the first team here since he left. Tell O'Shea and the others who have had one. 

The likes of White were nurtured at Leeds on loan, only when they had to sell him or play him, did he play. None of this was of DA's doing. They were producing the likes of Dunk and White before him and Sanchez.

Again name the brilliant youth players that his system has produced for us? 

FFs give credit to the likes of Vic Buckingham not the likes of a plagarist. He did nothing original, it was a happening elsewhere, years before.

[SW4Baggie]

Cannot believe the Potter love in. 

The bloke is a an average manager who because he is thought of as a "thinker" because he showed a video of deer to his players (if I remember correctly)  is lionised by some.

He did well in Sweden with money (but hasn't demonstrated any significant of the game in that region as he hasn't brought any young players over from there as far as know). 

Only reason he hasn't been relegated is because he had Hughton's defence, apart from Webster (who spent a fortune for). 

And for playing Liverpool off the park? 

They had a 3 of their normal back 5 out and have been mediocre of late without them, and even then they won when a bad clearance hit  2 bha players and went in. 

The bloke is the British version of the dingle, stale solbakken, in that a lot think he is great because of his exploits at other clubs, but he actually does fuck all here. 

And on the subject of Ashworth, when did he become this all seeing football Eye. The bloke said no to Aubameyang and van dijk and brought in a lot of expensive (in our terms) shite like zuvi, etc, etc. 

If he was only in charge of our youths then we had one in berahino.

If he was so great why did England not fight to keep him? 

We try to blame the loss of people like him for our current predicament when we all should know that the game is about investment in players and the scouting networks you put in place (all which costs millions we never spend because our owners are in it for themselves and not our great club). 

Structures that we had when our France based scout asked Ashworth to watch Auba and he said he was not good enough after watching him. The same when van dijk was recommended to him by our Scotland based scout. 

But, Scott Allen was good enough according to him.

There is so much shit posted in this I don’t really know where to begin.

1. Money in Sweden? The bloke who owned the club is being investigated for financial misdemeanours but they’re nothing to do with pumping money into the club... whilst they may have had a comparative budget in the lower leagues, they were on a shoestring compared to the other top flight clubs they were beating... and even more so in Europe.
2. Hughton’s defence? They conceded more under CH.
3. Big Sam was lionised for grinding out a draw under similar circumstances... Brighton attacked Liverpool and deserved their win. 
4. Solbakken spent fortunes at Wolves and took them down again... Potter had a squad sold from under him, yet stopped them going  into free fall, had to use a lot of youngsters and ended up selling James abs McBurnie for £35m in the summer which enabled Cooper to have expensive loans and keep players like Ayew... Cooper also benefitted from the youth having a season under their belt.. yup.. identical.
5. Every football club has a similar story... crucially unlike many others however we signed players that were successes instead of Wnger style “oh I nearly signed him” for years later.
6. We had absolutely no youth system when DA arrived, Danny Gabbidon was our one export... when he left we had a Category 1 academy... this takes years to do, and we are now seeing the fruits of it... along with the top 4
7. He left England because after 5-6 years he wanted a fresh challenge and return to the PL. Bigger clubs than Brighton courted him but they offered him the control and blank slate he wanted. 
8. His scouting system was torn up and replaced when he left as McDonut thought he had a better system... we realised the mistake and reverted to his system, unfortunately it was grossly out of date (hence Ideye)... in the meantime clubs around us caught up whilst we went backwards.
6. I don’t think Ashworth was DoF when we signed Zuiverloon.
7. Pulis rejected Van Dijk... Fletcher recommended him, many years after Ashworth left. When Ashworth left us, VDV had played less than 30 senior games in Holland... 
8. We paid about £200k for Scott Allan. FFS.

Other than that, decent post.

You should know about writing shit, as you write a lot of it. 

Here's an article about how the owner DID STEAL MONEY and put it into the club. I conversed with someone from Sweden and he said potter's team was despised for spending money they didn't generate.

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/11/18...nightmare/

Furthermore, what exactly did Ashworth do revolutionary that other clubs who had prem money didn't do?

He set up a cat one academy, following the cat one regulations set out by the FA to get it. 

He was there when Zuvi and the rest of shite came in with mogga. 

You totally ignored the Auba rejection that this magician didn't spot.

Truth is anyone can set up a cat one to fa regulations and guidelines, and most importantly MONEY.

You have to have MONEY to get top scouts. 

Those scouts recommend and then he said no to Auba whilst he said yes to a load of shite players. 

We only started to maintain a stay in the prem when we moved away from his buy them cheap pile them high when we started to pay for proven, been there, done that pros. like Scharner and Shorey, etc, etc. 

We had a great scouting network and youth development before in the 80's producing Eng. Internationals like Palmer and Burrows. Did Ashworth set that up to as a toddler? 

We then were skint for many years until prem money came and even in that time we produced Oliver, and the chambers brothers. 

So you list all the players the genius Ashworth and is fabled academy produced apart from Bera? 

Even the ones who have been poached have done fuck all in the game and hopefully it continues with the cunt Barry. 

What the fuck happened where a fucking suit is credited with all that has been good in the last 20 years. 

Oh Mcdonnagh ripped up the Ashworth masterplan, that created eh, fooooook all.

LOL. Wow, I thought you couldn't spout any more shit but it seems you can, and what's more you're getting very sweary and antagonised... 

Furthermore, what exactly did Ashworth do revolutionary that other clubs who had prem money didn't do?....
- Look at our net spend in that era, and look how much higher than our wage:turnover ratio we attained.... look at the medical infrastructure we put in place that allowed us to get games out of players without injuries? 
- Our model was essentially followed by those teams with money - we were the first to do it... Clubs like Southampton and Watford implemented the head coacg/DOF model and were successful in the PL following it... there's no shortage of articles on less obscure websites with people quoting how we were the model club...

He set up a cat one academy, following the cat one regulations set out by the FA to get it. 
Again this just isn't true... he actually wrote the Cat 1 academy rules and implemented it in 2012 with his Elite Player Performance proposal... the whole Cat 1-4 system was devised and introduced to the FA which he'd formulated whilst setting up our youth system. We were one of the first to get this accreditation due to, well we were already doing it...

He was there when Zuvi and the rest of shite came in with mogga. 
That's entirely true - my apologies. We wasted money on a good £2m on Zuiverloon. Such a shame we wasted money on Fortune, Mulumbu, Dorrans, Valero, Olsson that season too. Oh for such frivolous spending. I mean how dare his final gift to us be Yacob!

We only started to maintain a stay in the prem when we moved away from his buy them cheap pile them high when we started to pay for proven, been there, done that pros. like Scharner and Shorey, etc, etc. 
Indeed... when he was still in charge of recruitment, and when he saw off RDM and brought in Hodgson and the two of them brought in the likes of Long, McAuley and so on?  I mean as soon as we left and we made some wonderful experinced, proven players... Samaras, Anichebe, Sessegnon... wonderful servants

You totally ignored the Auba rejection that this magician didn't spot.
I didn't, I said, like every club, we have stories about players we missed out on... crucially we signed a bloody lot that were successes unlike people like Wenger who moaned on about nearly signing everyone... Also, Milan were desperately trying to get rid of Auba and when St Etienne got him for peanuts, I'm sure there werent PL clubs flocking to scout him... we deserve credit for him even being on our radar... 

You have to have MONEY to get top scouts. 
The scouts we had were actually ones we'd had for quite some time.. White and what's his name... they were hardly big earners... we sacked them off under McDonut, and they went on to other PL clubs (think one of them heads up, or certainly did head up Burnley) and we spent a fucktonne more on McDonut's mates and then Thorny and his bartab... 

So you list all the players the genius Ashworth and is fabled academy produced apart from Bera? 
I must have missed how we held off Barca and PSG's attempts to lure away the Chambers brothers and Adam Oliver... Gosh what a success our academy had... And let's not pretend football now resembles the 80s... if you were a big lad and could run after 6 pints the night before you could hold your own in the 80s... reserve football under the floodlights aged 17 and you were away. 

Even the ones who have been poached have done fuck all in the game and hopefully it continues with the cunt Barry. 
I'd imagine that's more to do with the lack of a pathway to the first team from the academy. Alzate, White, Lamptey as young kids in other academies seem to have transitioned well into the Brighton first team... wonder who is in charge of that pathway? 

I hope this has answered your questions.

No. Germany and Spain were doing youth development better than us for years he copied it. 

You are trying to attribute everything that has been done in youth development and injury prevention to in the last 10-15 years to someone who copied everything. 

He has not done anything original. 

The top clubs here and in Europe have had top youth set ups for years. Did Ashworth set up the Manchester United academy that produced the class of 92?

Was he the first to implement sports science in football!? 

No, he did neither he copied everyone who was doing it well, got the England job on Roy's recommendation and then left for mighty BHA (nowhere of merit).

As for the shite we signed after him, do you really want to go through all the shite he signed? (zuvi was £3.2m from what a recall not £2m and you to dismiss £200k on Allan is laughable given we haven't had a pot to piss in most of the time, add to that player we bought from Bury Worrall and you see the pattern, he was no football genius. 

We have much a much better history to be proud of than someone who used what was going on around the world and brought it to sandwell, which was copied by Southampton and Watford (which I doubt as their owners own clubs in Spain and Italy). 

Look to Vic Buckingham not DA. 

You're essentially saying that we don't have a pathway to the first team here since he left. Tell O'Shea and the others who have had one. 

The likes of White were nurtured at Leeds on loan, only when they had to sell him or play him, did he play. None of this was of DA's doing. They were producing the likes of Dunk and White before him and Sanchez.

Again name the brilliant youth players that his system has produced for us? 

FFs give credit to the likes of Vic Buckingham not the likes of a plagarist. He did nothing original, it was a happening elsewhere, years before.

I’m not even engaging anymore. You’re either a wind up or a moron, or both.

Ashworth was shit. We were brilliant before him and after him.

[Dial M for Mick]

You do realise that Zuiverloon was signed based on his performance in a pre season friendly against Heerenveen a full year before Ashworth was in the job, don't you? Worrall made his one and only appearance for us even earlier than that! If you want to blame anyone for the poor signings we made under Mowbray, blame Simon Hunt, who actually was the Technical Director at the time.

[Birdman1811]

Well never thought I'd see a West Brom fan that hated Ashworth.

Wenger turned down Zlatan, almost every European club turned down Messi as a teenager. Fact is there are more mistakes made at that level than successes due to the unpredictability of player development.

Ashworth was fantastic for us, and then England, the FA coaching set up throughout English football was a big part of his time in the FA, I know a few coaches in the game at various levels who say how great he is.

However one random guy on WBAunofficial says different. I know who I believe.

So which formerly banned, returning poster are you?