UK Covid death toll

[Baggie_Nick]

Thanks Fuzzy, appreciate it. My daughter was in bits on Sunday morning when she called and I told her pretty much the same. It was the first time we'd taken my M-I-L out (apart from a couple of trips to the supermarket) since this whole thing started and she didn't want to miss out on my nephews 30th. I'm pretty certain she's ok because with her condition if she was going get it there wouldn't be much time before we knew.

Why did the girl not self-isolate after the Spanish visit? Did your daughter social distance during the night out?

No criticism and I sincerely hope you are all well!

She got back before the instruction to self isolate apparently. Trust me Nick, I know how frustrating it is but the kids really don’t see it as an issue, we’ll that’s probably unfair, they do see it as an issue but they don’t think it will impact them. 

And no, social distancing isn’t something that they even consider after a few glasses of wine. I sound like my dad!! 

That's the problem, mate.

Seen it in pubs myself. It's difficult to enforce and for folk who have been living in lockdown for months... I find it hard to be too judgemental on young people but they are still carriers! 

I fear the pubs will shut again. But perhaps that's for the best to get schools up and running?

[The liquidator]

Tell me one reason why I should not go to the pub so kids can go to school ....my kids have grown up I think most of us have sacrificed enough .

[Borin' Baggie]

Tell me one reason why I should not go to the pub so kids can go to school  ....my kids have grown up I think most of us have sacrificed enough .

Kids going to school is more important than you going to the pub

[Protheroe]

Tell me one reason why I should not go to the pub so kids can go to school  ....my kids have grown up I think most of us have sacrificed enough .

Kids going to school is more important than you going to the pub

The narrative that there is some sort of correlation / choice between pubs being open and schools being open is just about the most bizarre comment from and increasingly bizarre government.

[baggy1]

Tell me one reason why I should not go to the pub so kids can go to school  ....my kids have grown up I think most of us have sacrificed enough .

Because they need someone to drop them off

[baggy1]

Another week (up to 31st July) of running at about the 5 year average (90 less) so again good news indicating that the measures in place are working. Comparatively against the 5 year average there are about 53k more deaths in 2020 and compared to 2019 there are about 61k more. 7 weeks below the 5 year average now with a total in that 7 weeks of 1500.

Patients admitted to hospital is stable so it is still about but at a low level with the data up to the 7th August, there's a slight increase in people in hospital in England (565 on the 8th Aug and 647 on the 10th). People on ventilators is also stable at a low number.

All in all pretty stable and the current measures appear to be working - again long may it stay that way.

[MassDebater]

One thing has been bothering me all the way through what's happened. Whilst i fully acknowledge and praise the NHS for the work they have done, is it a case that our treatments (and so the NHS) are less good than elsewhere, or have we been too honest in our reporting? Hence we look to have a 14% death from infections rate, as do Mexico, whereas USA and others barely touch 3%. We've done the 5th most testing in the World, so it shouldn't merely be down to we've tested and found more so the mortality percentage will drop...

Something somewhere doesn't add up to me. Yes, I realise there was talk of 10% of our deaths need to come off due to the way we say anyone positive who dies has died from it. Even doing that still leaves our mortality percentage at over 13%... Spain for example (who stopped reporting deaths and were doing something with their figures) is running at 7+%.... Germany around 3%...Australia at 1.5% So there are large discrepancies and I am struggling to understand it unless there are major differences in death figure reporting...(e.g. I read that Russia autopsies all deaths and attributes them to anything that they can other than COV, e.g. pneumonia, which drops them in 1.5% territory.)

Are our infected simply just totally unfit, overweight, and got more diseases than the rest of the World?

[The liquidator]

Get knocked over and its covid totally inflated death rates in hospitals and care homes I reckon .

[baggy1]

The problem with all the figures is that infection rate is a made up figure purely because they haven't tested everyone (I don't expect them to) and therefore don't know how many people have got it (asymptomatic). The only data that actually means anything is excess deaths and that will wash out as time goes on - we've had 60 odd thousand excess deaths this year, we have a population of 60 odd million therefore death rate as a proportion of population is 0.1%. That will be the only comparable figure with other countries.

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Get knocked over and its covid totally inflated death rates in hospitals and care homes I reckon .

Of course you do

[MassDebater]

The problem with all the figures is that infection rate is a made up figure purely because they haven't tested everyone (I don't expect them to) and therefore don't know how many people have got it (asymptomatic). The only data that actually means anything is excess deaths and that will wash out as time goes on - we've had 60 odd thousand excess deaths this year, we have a population of 60 odd million therefore death rate as a proportion of population is 0.1%. That will be the only comparable figure with other countries.

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Get knocked over and its covid totally inflated death rates in hospitals and care homes I reckon .

Of course you do

America's current excess death percentage is roughly 0.05%, so way below ours... (even using the upper estimate for them only pushes it to 0.07%). In the UK, the week ending July 31, there were less deaths recorded than the average, by about 1%, it was also lower than the 5 year average by 42 deaths, so that would suggest there is nothing to worry about, yet 193 deaths for the week mentioned CovID...and accounted for 2.2% of all deaths in England and Wales. (death registry: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationa...31july2020)

So if we use excess deaths then that suggests that there is nothing to worry about. Which is obviously wrong, whatever stat they use is damn tricky to give accurate info. And I just saw that 5,000 deaths are coming off the list as we've moved to counting the same way Scotland and Wales do (only CovID if death is within 28 days of confirmed test).

Either way we seem to have more deaths per case than anyone else, which is a worry.