Brexit Party

[Sotv]

Strangely not bitter or twisted but really enjoying it all becoming clear what a fuck up this will be. What was it Javid said the other day "Brexit... won't benefit all businesses", erm I thought this was going to be the golden uplands we are heading for.

Name me one change in human history that has benefited all businesses.

Name me one Brexiteer politician that pointed this out before the referendum. It was going to the best thing ever ever in the whole history of mankind, get Brexit done, take back control, fuck me sideways!

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Strangely not bitter or twisted but really enjoying it all becoming clear what a fuck up this will be. What was it Javid said the other day "Brexit... won't benefit all businesses", erm I thought this was going to be the golden uplands we are heading for.

Same here, which some on the leave side seem to find either frustrating or hard to accept. It's almost as if some of the most strident Brexiteers crave the validation of remainers changing their minds and telling them they were right all along. Could be a long wait.

They won the vote: they now need to lie in the bed they made; as, like it or not, do we all. Expecting people like you and me to start pretending it was a good idea all along is probably a bit unrealistic though.

Oh the hypocrisy of those who continue to moan and berate those with a differing opinion after the fact. 
It’s more we crave you accepting change and moving on to making things work, instead of doom mongering and magnifying any problem you find in order to say “told you so”.
We know the arrogance of many remainers is so strong they will never admit they were wrong so no point waiting for that

You won't have to wait long to find out to be fair.

said with the glee of someone who would delight in others losing their jobs just so they could be seen to be right to a total stranger on the internet.
Meanwhile you're unable to answer Malc's question so resorts to the Derekesque technique of answering a question with a question.

[HeathAyIt]

Strangely not bitter or twisted but really enjoying it all becoming clear what a fuck up this will be. What was it Javid said the other day "Brexit... won't benefit all businesses", erm I thought this was going to be the golden uplands we are heading for.

Same here, which some on the leave side seem to find either frustrating or hard to accept. It's almost as if some of the most strident Brexiteers crave the validation of remainers changing their minds and telling them they were right all along. Could be a long wait.

They won the vote: they now need to lie in the bed they made; as, like it or not, do we all. Expecting people like you and me to start pretending it was a good idea all along is probably a bit unrealistic though.

Oh the hypocrisy of those who continue to moan and berate those with a differing opinion after the fact. 
It’s more we crave you accepting change and moving on to making things work, instead of doom mongering and magnifying any problem you find in order to say “told you so”.
We know the arrogance of many remainers is so strong they will never admit they were wrong so no point waiting for that

Who are 'we'?

The stupidest thing about the whole process is people and the media's willingness to polarise two indistinct groups of people and perpetuate the idea that they are some sort of mass with a fence in the middle.

[Sotv]

Strangely not bitter or twisted but really enjoying it all becoming clear what a fuck up this will be. What was it Javid said the other day "Brexit... won't benefit all businesses", erm I thought this was going to be the golden uplands we are heading for.

Same here, which some on the leave side seem to find either frustrating or hard to accept. It's almost as if some of the most strident Brexiteers crave the validation of remainers changing their minds and telling them they were right all along. Could be a long wait.

They won the vote: they now need to lie in the bed they made; as, like it or not, do we all. Expecting people like you and me to start pretending it was a good idea all along is probably a bit unrealistic though.

Oh the hypocrisy of those who continue to moan and berate those with a differing opinion after the fact. 
It’s more we crave you accepting change and moving on to making things work, instead of doom mongering and magnifying any problem you find in order to say “told you so”.
We know the arrogance of many remainers is so strong they will never admit they were wrong so no point waiting for that

Who are 'we'?

The stupidest thing about the whole process is people and the media's willingness to polarise two indistinct groups of people and perpetuate the idea that they are some sort of mass with a fence in the middle.

"we" are "they" reffered to by the remainers posts. 
The question is, why pick up on the use of we when you didn't do the same to your fellow remainers use of they.

[baggy1]

You won't have to wait long to find out to be fair.

said with the glee of someone who would delight in others losing their jobs just so they could be seen to be right to a total stranger on the internet.
Meanwhile you're unable to answer Malc's question so resorts to the Derekesque technique of answering a question with a question.

Piss off with your glee comment - I'm one of those that can see the risks in job losses because mine and my lad's are in that category. I'm also one of those that could see the risks of job losses and the extra work involved for those of us that work for global organisations, which is why I was so against it in the first place. I am interested in the truth coming out slowly and surely with various cabinet members preparing us for the blows we are about to receive and the hidden agenda. 

Malcs question seemed to suggest I had said that wasn't the case, my point is that it wasn't brought to the table in an objective debate showing all of the outcomes by the politicians, they just made out it would be great (without any detail of course) so that they could get their agenda and personal business interests pushed through.

Do you think people would have been so keen to vote to pay more for their goods, run the risk of job losses, and generally be worse off for a generation, or do you think they voted to get £350m pounds a week back into the NHS and regain our waters fishing rights.

[Sotv]

You won't have to wait long to find out to be fair.

said with the glee of someone who would delight in others losing their jobs just so they could be seen to be right to a total stranger on the internet.
Meanwhile you're unable to answer Malc's question so resorts to the Derekesque technique of answering a question with a question.

Piss off with your glee comment - I'm one of those that can see the risks in job losses because mine and my lad's are in that category. I'm also one of those that could see the risks of job losses and the extra work involved for those of us that work for global organisations, which is why I was so against it in the first place. I am interested in the truth coming out slowly and surely with various cabinet members preparing us for the blows we are about to receive and the hidden agenda. 

Malcs question seemed to suggest I had said that wasn't the case, my point is that it wasn't brought to the table in an objective debate showing all of the outcomes by the politicians, they just made out it would be great (without any detail of course) so that they could get their agenda and personal business interests pushed through.

Do you think people would have been so keen to vote to pay more for their goods, run the risk of job losses, and generally be worse off for a generation, or do you think they voted to get £350m pounds a week back into the NHS and regain our waters fishing rights.

no i wont piss off with it, it's been a recurrent theme amongst so many of the oh so smart remainers and now you don't like leavers calling you out on it. Your opening comment about risks shows that what concerns you is rooted in fear and to an extent, selfish personal reasons.

People were warned of potential job losses, the economy crashing immediately upon a vote to leave (which it didnt, it actually outperfromed most european countries economies so then you shift the goalposts and say oh we meant after we leave) and more besides. That's why the remain campaign was labelled project fear. 

No, they didn't vote to get back £350 million into the NHS, thats just another attempt at pointing a finger and laughing "thick brexiteers" and it's become almost as tiresome as the refrain of "you're all racists" your side has subjected us to over the last few years. 

As it is, you dont know if we will end up paying more for goods, be worse off for a generation etc and no one will until a trade deal has been struck. Yeah you will quote your economic experts, the same experts who totally missed the 2008 crash. 

FWIW i voted to leave as i was sick of hearing politicians in the country keep blaming the EU for things and i wanted to remove that excuse, add to that my belief in small government and representation being as local possible. 

I was also very uncomfortable with how the EU had morphed from a trade block into what is rapidly becoming a superstate. What also clinched it for me was the shrill, know it all attitude, the self righteous tone of remainers and the name calling. Unfortunately, many seem as capable of learning from this as momentum and the assorted leftards who supported Corbyn.

[ChamonixBaggie]

Why are people still engaging with this guy? Its pissing in the wind. Let him inhabit his world and the rest of us can inhabit the real one.

One very last, tiny engagement though:

"modern bitter"
"bitter and twisted"
"know it all"
"Leftards"

Do you see how it could be construed as a tiny bit hypocritical for you to have a go at others for name-calling?

[Sotv]

Why are people still engaging with this guy? Its pissing in the wind. Let him inhabit his world and the rest of us can inhabit the real one.

One very last, tiny engagement though:

"modern bitter"
"bitter and twisted"
"know it all"
"Leftards"

Do you see how it could be construed as a tiny bit hypocritical for you to have a go at others for name-calling?

Ah yes, it’s fine for you and others to imply we are stupid or racist but the minute someone gives you a bit back, you start blarting. 
Mine has only ever been a response to nonsense such as claiming I don’t live in the real world merely for having a different opinion. Which incidentally, is laughable for a bloke who spends a good part of his life in a place where most people go to forget the real world.
In fact yep; it’s almost as hypocritical as espousing socialism from the ski slopes of the French / Swiss border.

[Ossian]

Why are people still engaging with this guy? Its pissing in the wind. Let him inhabit his world and the rest of us can inhabit the real one.

One very last, tiny engagement though:

"modern bitter"
"bitter and twisted"
"know it all"
"Leftards"

Do you see how it could be construed as a tiny bit hypocritical for you to have a go at others for name-calling?

Chammy, you are absolutely right: I've had SOTV on 'Ignore' for several months now; not because of his politics, simply because I lack the patience to engage with somebody who continually responds to what he imagines I meant, rather than what's actually there in print.

It's the best solution for both of us.

[Sotv]

Why are people still engaging with this guy? Its pissing in the wind. Let him inhabit his world and the rest of us can inhabit the real one.

One very last, tiny engagement though:

"modern bitter"
"bitter and twisted"
"know it all"
"Leftards"

Do you see how it could be construed as a tiny bit hypocritical for you to have a go at others for name-calling?

Chammy, you are absolutely right: I've had SOTV on 'Ignore' for several months now; not because of his politics, simply because I have no patience to engage with somebody who continually responds to what he imagines I meant, rather than what's actually there in print.

It's the best solution for both of us.

Ah that would be because I’m a thick brexiteer that just can’t understand what you write, no doubt you will be able to provide multiple examples of what is claimed rather than a disagreement on what you believe. 
Not that you will be able to read this in your safe space echo chamber

[Derek Hardballs]

You won't have to wait long to find out to be fair.

said with the glee of someone who would delight in others losing their jobs just so they could be seen to be right to a total stranger on the internet.
Meanwhile you're unable to answer Malc's question so resorts to the Derekesque technique of answering a question with a question.

Piss off with your glee comment - I'm one of those that can see the risks in job losses because mine and my lad's are in that category. I'm also one of those that could see the risks of job losses and the extra work involved for those of us that work for global organisations, which is why I was so against it in the first place. I am interested in the truth coming out slowly and surely with various cabinet members preparing us for the blows we are about to receive and the hidden agenda. 

Malcs question seemed to suggest I had said that wasn't the case, my point is that it wasn't brought to the table in an objective debate showing all of the outcomes by the politicians, they just made out it would be great (without any detail of course) so that they could get their agenda and personal business interests pushed through.

Do you think people would have been so keen to vote to pay more for their goods, run the risk of job losses, and generally be worse off for a generation, or do you think they voted to get £350m pounds a week back into the NHS and regain our waters fishing rights.

no i wont piss off with it, it's been a recurrent theme amongst so many of the oh so smart remainers and now you don't like leavers calling you out on it. Your opening comment about risks shows that what concerns you is rooted in fear and to an extent, selfish personal reasons.

People were warned of potential job losses, the economy crashing immediately upon a vote to leave (which it didnt, it actually outperfromed most european countries economies so then you shift the goalposts and say oh we meant after we leave) and more besides. That's why the remain campaign was labelled project fear. 

No, they didn't vote to get back £350 million into the NHS, thats just another attempt at pointing a finger and laughing "thick brexiteers" and it's become almost as tiresome as the refrain of "you're all racists" your side has subjected us to over the last few years. 

As it is, you dont know if we will end up paying more for goods, be worse off for a generation etc and no one will until a trade deal has been struck. Yeah you will quote your economic experts, the same experts who totally missed the 2008 crash. 

FWIW i voted to leave as i was sick of hearing politicians in the country keep blaming the EU for things and i wanted to remove that excuse, add to that my belief in small government and representation being as local possible. 

I was also very uncomfortable with how the EU had morphed from a trade block into what is rapidly becoming a superstate. What also clinched it for me was the shrill, know it all attitude, the self righteous tone of remainers and the name calling. Unfortunately, many seem as capable of learning from this as momentum and the assorted leftards who supported Corbyn.

Ok let’s go through things one by one...

We haven’t left yet and when we do when will we see any benefits and what will they be? It’s been three and a bit tedious years of needless and arguably pointless upheaval, billions spent and for what? 

You want a small state which would mean what exactly? What gets cut?

Health 
Disability support
Roads 
The Arts
The Royal Family
Social Housing
Policing
Education 
Armed Forces
There are lots more areas I’ve forgotten

What happens to those at the sharp end of those cuts / shrinkage of the state? 

Our own politicians told the lie that it was simply a trading block not the architects of the EU they made it abundantly clear at the time that it was both a monetary and political idea. From the very beginning those bemoaning the lack of sovereignty / democracy / accountability blamed those pesky Europeans not their own sovereign government. Easier to blame a shadowy perceived enemy than reality I suppose and nothing has changed.

Why couldn’t national government have invested in the towns and cities that felt they were left behind before Brexit? I’m generally interested in the thought process of voters whose areas have suffered for years through neglect think I know what will solve it! A period of financial uncertainty and belief in national government that has let them down time and time again.

Whilst you get angry and want to sock it to those shrill no it alls, many remainers get fed up with the lack of any credible plan, the lack of proper scrutiny of those advocating leaving, the dawn of populism and blatant lying and the jingoistic tendency of some of its biggest supporters. Have you seen the idiots trying to burn the EU regulated fire resistant flag?