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(08-13-2025, 06:03 PM)Baggiejacko Wrote: They are trying to tell people that life is shit for them and are being ignored. It's been going on for a while but escalating more recently. Brexit result right or wrong was these same people trying to change the status quo. It failed to but at least they gave it a try. The stupid thing to do was to vote for more of the same ffs. Voting in Reform is the next attempt they'll vote for to try and change things again. Why? because people ignore their feelings still and again the stupid thing to do would be to vote for the same. Reform probably won't do enough but it's worth a gamble to these fed up people. Only stupid people wouldn't vote for a change. For a lot of people the country is on its arse and no hope in sight. A minority play up and are violent and taint the others. It's the same as all Muslims ain't child molesters because a few were. Ivory tower dwellers shouldn't sneer at folk in different circumstances. There's a long list of things making people's lives harder and shitter daily and the government again seem hell bent on only making it worse just like the last fuckin lot
A lot of people see flags of other nations paraded proudly in this country and think we can do that. It's trying to display a bit of pride in what's left of their bit of the country. Not all flag shaggers. Just like the lovely people displaying Palestinian flags at every opportunity despite having fuck all to do with Palestine
In many areas you can't get social housing for years, get a doctors appointment, dentist appointment etc and if you can't understand that hundreds of illegal migrants being moved into these areas isn't adding to these problems then I wonder who the stupid ones really are?
Since one in one out came into force a few days ago over 2000 have crossed the channel in small boats. The smugglers have responded today by testing out a bigger boat. 107 were on a single boat with plenty room to spare.
I've not read it all but the vibe I've got from the first part of this post I think is similar to what I'm saying.
Jacko, maybe lay off the meat analogies if you're trying to get through to people. I dunno.
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08-13-2025, 07:47 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-13-2025, 07:49 PM by Baggiejacko.)
What's good for the goose is good for the chicken.
But I get your point and will refrain in future. It was only a petty dig at the flag shaggers jibe commonly used for people unknown
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(08-13-2025, 12:08 PM)Pipkins Wrote: Maybe the Govt could relocate all those coming over on boats into large Victorian houses in the leafy streets of Islington
They would be superb HMOs
Leafy streets of Islington? Not where I know!
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(08-13-2025, 08:14 PM)Hudds2 Wrote: (08-13-2025, 12:08 PM)Pipkins Wrote: Maybe the Govt could relocate all those coming over on boats into large Victorian houses in the leafy streets of Islington
They would be superb HMOs
Leafy streets of Islington? Not where I know!
I thought Islington was a communist enclave not a leafy suburb.
Would rather talk to ChatGPT
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(08-14-2025, 07:14 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: (08-13-2025, 08:14 PM)Hudds2 Wrote: (08-13-2025, 12:08 PM)Pipkins Wrote: Maybe the Govt could relocate all those coming over on boats into large Victorian houses in the leafy streets of Islington
They would be superb HMOs
Leafy streets of Islington? Not where I know!
I thought Islington was a communist enclave not a leafy suburb.
Fun fact about Islington, it is the London borough with the least amount of green space.
I read somewhere that the Arsenal football pitch is the second largest area of green space in Islington.
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(08-14-2025, 07:58 AM)Shabby Russian Wrote: (08-14-2025, 07:14 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: (08-13-2025, 08:14 PM)Hudds2 Wrote: (08-13-2025, 12:08 PM)Pipkins Wrote: Maybe the Govt could relocate all those coming over on boats into large Victorian houses in the leafy streets of Islington
They would be superb HMOs
Leafy streets of Islington? Not where I know!
I thought Islington was a communist enclave not a leafy suburb.
Fun fact about Islington, it is the London borough with the least amount of green space.
I read somewhere that the Arsenal football pitch is the second largest area of green space in Islington.
Corbyn's allotment is the first.
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A few years back I had cause to walk from Finsbury Park to the City via Angel. There were some nice houses/streets in Highbury but the rest is inner city urban.
It ay Hamstead Heath!
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I don’t have any issue with people hanging flags up and if it is for genuine patriotic reasons then great. However if you are going to hang that flag from a lamppost at the side of a main road then please make sure you look after that flag by replacing it when it gets dirty and shredded after a few weeks / months. Don’t just leave it there to get all tattered and torn which really is disrespecting the flag. If you want to hang it from your own house, as per America, then even better.
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(08-13-2025, 09:15 AM)Ted Maul Wrote: I say again, and I'm not wanting to defend the potential actions or motives of these people, but have you actually thought that in ridiculing them you're confirming everything they believe to be true. It just adds to the us vs them mentality that is causing more harm than good across the country.
And as someone that tries to argue against those swayed towards division, I find I'm fighting a battle uphill. One day B'ham council announce they will remove all the Union flags from lamp posts and council property and the next say they will light up the central library in green to celebrate Pakistan's independence day. (Not related, I know, but) try and point out the nuances or optics there to someone that believes they are being ignored.
Insulting people's concerns does not make those concerns go away, it reinforces the belief they are being overlooked or worse, being disadvantaged.
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(08-14-2025, 11:49 AM)Tom Joad Wrote: (08-13-2025, 09:15 AM)Ted Maul Wrote: I say again, and I'm not wanting to defend the potential actions or motives of these people, but have you actually thought that in ridiculing them you're confirming everything they believe to be true. It just adds to the us vs them mentality that is causing more harm than good across the country.
And as someone that tries to argue against those swayed towards division, I find I'm fighting a battle uphill. One day B'ham council announce they will remove all the Union flags from lamp posts and council property and the next say they will light up the central library in green to celebrate Pakistan's independence day. (Not related, I know, but) try and point out the nuances or optics there to someone that believes they are being ignored.
Insulting people's concerns does not make those concerns go away, it reinforces the belief they are being overlooked or worse, being disadvantaged.
The exact reason for Reform popularity currently and future unless people are given reason to feel otherwise. Being called names and demonised for the way you feel by people that couldn't know those feelings doesn't help. I would call them sneering raw sausages but I'll refrain
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