The last decade

[Fido]

Replacing the manager isn’t going to address the massive blue and white elephant in the room and that is we cannot financially compete with the clubs with parachute payments and those like Blues looking at completely changing their way of operating as a club financially. We can hope those coming down face financial meltdown but that’s not within our control.

In 12-18mths time we will be having the same conversation about who next… whilst languishing in midtable Championship obscurity if we are lucky. This is all very reminiscent of the 1990’s with the added problems that PSR cause

Why do you keep posting the same thing incessantly?

1) The club have said they need to expand income streams, especially off the pitch. They have employed someone to do exactly that.


2)They have explained why we cannot spend currently, but have indicated that they are willing to spend in the future; they have even said exactly which season this will be.

What more do you want? They cannot put any more money into the club than they are currently doing, and they have to cut expenditure, or we will get a points deduction and/or a transfer embargo. Unless you are happy for that to happen, you are going to need to have a bit of patience.

Are you new here?

[Vinebaggie]

Replacing the manager isn’t going to address the massive blue and white elephant in the room and that is we cannot financially compete with the clubs with parachute payments and those like Blues looking at completely changing their way of operating as a club financially. We can hope those coming down face financial meltdown but that’s not within our control.

In 12-18mths time we will be having the same conversation about who next… whilst languishing in midtable Championship obscurity if we are lucky. This is all very reminiscent of the 1990’s with the added problems that PSR cause

Why do you keep posting the same thing incessantly?

1) The club have said they need to expand income streams, especially off the pitch. They have employed someone to do exactly that.


2)They have explained why we cannot spend currently, but have indicated that they are willing to spend in the future; they have even said exactly which season this will be.

What more do you want? They cannot put any more money into the club than they are currently doing, and they have to cut expenditure, or we will get a points deduction and/or a transfer embargo. Unless you are happy for that to happen, you are going to need to have a bit of patience.

This.  Last year we lost £34M and the psr rules say you are only allowed to lose £41.5M over a three year period.  It will be a couple of years before we know exactly what Bikul are prepared to do financially.  You can criticise them for crap managerial appointments but not for financially being unable to compete, they inherited a mess.  Also don't think the likes Preston, Millwall or Watford are significantly better off than us but they are all top 6.  The big Blue and White elephant in the room is Nestor's managerial choices and the fact that he's getting another spin on the wheel.

[Squid]

Replacing the manager isn’t going to address the massive blue and white elephant in the room and that is we cannot financially compete with the clubs with parachute payments and those like Blues looking at completely changing their way of operating as a club financially. We can hope those coming down face financial meltdown but that’s not within our control.

In 12-18mths time we will be having the same conversation about who next… whilst languishing in midtable Championship obscurity if we are lucky. This is all very reminiscent of the 1990’s with the added problems that PSR cause

Why do you keep posting the same thing incessantly?

1) The club have said they need to expand income streams, especially off the pitch. They have employed someone to do exactly that.


2)They have explained why we cannot spend currently, but have indicated that they are willing to spend in the future; they have even said exactly which season this will be.

What more do you want? They cannot put any more money into the club than they are currently doing, and they have to cut expenditure, or we will get a points deduction and/or a transfer embargo. Unless you are happy for that to happen, you are going to need to have a bit of patience.

This.  Last year we lost £34M and the psr rules say you are only allowed to lose £41.5M over a three year period.  It will be a couple of years before we know exactly what Bikul are prepared to do financially.  You can criticise them for crap managerial appointments but not for financially being unable to compete, they inherited a mess.  Also don't think the likes Preston, Millwall or Watford are significantly better off than us but they are all top 6.  The big Blue and White elephant in the room is Nestor's managerial choices and the fact that he's getting another spin on the wheel.

Exactly. And this isn't speculation, Nestor spelt it out exactly!

West Bromwich Albion Group Limited losses for the 2023/24 season alone were £37.6 million. To put that into context, the EFL’s P&S loss threshold for clubs at the time was £39 million over a three-year period.

Following the 2023/24 season, the club was required to make cumulative trading gains of more than £33 million to fix its P&S position because of historical financial mismanagement. Without taking swift action, this inherited P&S deficit could have put the club on course to produce one of the largest financial breaches in EFL history. The prospect of transfer embargoes and points deductions since takeover during both summer 2024 and 2025 were genuine concerns.

We were in the crap and Bilkul have steered us out of it. I think having a genuinely excellent manager like Corberan camouflaged exactly how much of a bad situation the club was in.

[SW4Baggie]

Replacing the manager isn’t going to address the massive blue and white elephant in the room and that is we cannot financially compete with the clubs with parachute payments and those like Blues looking at completely changing their way of operating as a club financially. We can hope those coming down face financial meltdown but that’s not within our control.

In 12-18mths time we will be having the same conversation about who next… whilst languishing in midtable Championship obscurity if we are lucky. This is all very reminiscent of the 1990’s with the added problems that PSR cause

Why do you keep posting the same thing incessantly?

1) The club have said they need to expand income streams, especially off the pitch. They have employed someone to do exactly that.


2)They have explained why we cannot spend currently, but have indicated that they are willing to spend in the future; they have even said exactly which season this will be.

What more do you want? They cannot put any more money into the club than they are currently doing, and they have to cut expenditure, or we will get a points deduction and/or a transfer embargo. Unless you are happy for that to happen, you are going to need to have a bit of patience.

Well said Squid.

[Derek Hardballs]

Replacing the manager isn’t going to address the massive blue and white elephant in the room and that is we cannot financially compete with the clubs with parachute payments and those like Blues looking at completely changing their way of operating as a club financially. We can hope those coming down face financial meltdown but that’s not within our control.

In 12-18mths time we will be having the same conversation about who next… whilst languishing in midtable Championship obscurity if we are lucky. This is all very reminiscent of the 1990’s with the added problems that PSR cause

Why do you keep posting the same thing incessantly?

1) The club have said they need to expand income streams, especially off the pitch. They have employed someone to do exactly that.


2)They have explained why we cannot spend currently, but have indicated that they are willing to spend in the future; they have even said exactly which season this will be.

What more do you want? They cannot put any more money into the club than they are currently doing, and they have to cut expenditure, or we will get a points deduction and/or a transfer embargo. Unless you are happy for that to happen, you are going to need to have a bit of patience.

Your reply is similarly repetitive. I know the situation with our finances and for someone who takes such a deep interest in my posts you have edited out the bits where I’ve said the owners are fixing the financial mess we are in and that I’ve acknowledged this isn’t going to be an overnight process on or off the pitch. I haven’t been one of the posters pissing and moaning that a disjointed, transitional squad under a rookie manager isn’t getting play-off form (waves at the massive hypocrites on here who have relentlessly posted ‘I want Mason Out’ posts everyday for months, having a go at me.)

Btw this time last year I had numerous posters particularly the financial ‘experts’ on here telling me I was talking nonsense for pointing out we needed to increase revenue that wasn’t dependent on the playing side of the club. This has now been conveniently forgotten as the club themselves have put plans in place to do so which I have acknowledged on the Nestor Statement Thread is a good thing. 

The problem I have with this clamour for a new manager every twelve months is because only once in the last 20 odd years have we found a manager capable at this level of putting a promotion winning team together that defied expectations and our financial position. So forgive my scepticism that with the added constraints of PSR, many of our fans demands we do it ‘the Albion way’ and the last two appointments by our new owners that we won’t all be having the same managerial soap opera this time next year if not earlier. 

There is a real danger we will be stuck in this league for years, and that’s not particularly our new owners fault but it’s their reality and ours. 

[PatelsPlatoon]

We're not a basket case club. If we are so are many in the division. Managers don't stick like they used to. It's the culture in football.

[MrBater]

The whole ability to compete financially is misleading.

Sunderland made their own money from their youth and sales, which is what we said we were going to do, then promptly sold our last saleable youths and gave up on playing new ones.

Coventry, they're not exactly mega rich are they, and Boro aren't either, neither have parachutes, and both are showing what can be done with shrewd signings and good management (again what we thought we were getting from Patel, instead we got a narcissistic President who seems to know sweet FA).

Money doesn't guarantee a good season in this division, sure it can help and paper over cracks, but there's been a fair few clubs who've done it via sensible decisions and sensible signings and youth sales (remember brentford not so long ago?)... On a positive note, we did look to be heading in the right direction with the buy then sell model with the likes of Heggem, but on reflection that's looking more and more like a Seal type PSR evasion sale rather than Nestor having a clue.

Instead he signs broken players.

[Lurker#3]

Apart from Bany, who have we signed who's been 'Broken'?

[PatelsPlatoon]

The whole ability to compete financially is misleading.

Sunderland made their own money from their youth and sales, which is what we said we were going to do, then promptly sold our last saleable youths and gave up on playing new ones.

Coventry, they're not exactly mega rich are they, and Boro aren't either, neither have parachutes, and both are showing what can be done with shrewd signings and good management (again what we thought we were getting from Patel, instead we got a narcissistic President who seems to know sweet FA).

Money doesn't guarantee a good season in this division, sure it can help and paper over cracks, but there's been a fair few clubs who've done it via sensible decisions and sensible signings and youth sales (remember brentford not so long ago?)... On a positive note, we did look to be heading in the right direction with the buy then sell model with the likes of Heggem, but on reflection that's looking more and more like a Seal type PSR evasion sale rather than Nestor having a clue.

Instead he signs broken players.

Some things are bad luck. Bany and Dike are.

Guys like Heggebo and Price more than balance that out.

Nestor has cocked up twice, but many thought Mowbray was a sensible appointment. Mason was a gamble, but perhaps one they thought worth risking in a season unlikley to get promoted. I would imagine Mason was on lower wages than many and cluases all over the place on league position etc, etc and payouts in the case of dismissal.

It's probably given us more wiggle room this time, but no manager is guaranteed to be a success.

[Peachofacross]

The whole ability to compete financially is misleading.

Sunderland made their own money from their youth and sales, which is what we said we were going to do, then promptly sold our last saleable youths and gave up on playing new ones.

Coventry, they're not exactly mega rich are they, and Boro aren't either, neither have parachutes, and both are showing what can be done with shrewd signings and good management (again what we thought we were getting from Patel, instead we got a narcissistic President who seems to know sweet FA).

Money doesn't guarantee a good season in this division, sure it can help and paper over cracks, but there's been a fair few clubs who've done it via sensible decisions and sensible signings and youth sales (remember brentford not so long ago?)... On a positive note, we did look to be heading in the right direction with the buy then sell model with the likes of Heggem, but on reflection that's looking more and more like a Seal type PSR evasion sale rather than Nestor having a clue.

Instead he signs broken players.

Some things are bad luck. Bany and Dike are.

Guys like Heggebo and Price more than balance that out.

Nestor has cocked up twice, but many thought Mowbray was a sensible appointment. Mason was a gamble, but perhaps one they thought worth risking in a season unlikley to get promoted. I would imagine Mason was on lower wages than many and cluases all over the place on league position etc, etc and payouts in the case of dismissal.

It's probably given us more wiggle room this time, but no manager is guaranteed to be a success.

Don't forget Heggem. Absolutely brilliant bit of business for us that. Shows we are looking at the Scandinavian markets. It's not all doom and gloom.