Corberan Watch

[Squid]

I don't understand why some people are so by bothered by what others choose to post about. I don't like American Football so I don't look at or post in the NFL thread. If you have no interest in Carlos' Valencia results, feel free to ignore this thread. Coming in here to berate those who are interested is bizarre.

Indeed.

Always strikes me as bizarre and incredibly narcissistic behaviour when people feel the need to join (and even worse start) a thread on a subject they have no interest in just to tell everyone they aren't interested. Imagine thinking your opinion is so important that you even need to tell everyone when you don't have an opinion on something...

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I think the point to be taken, by both sides of the argument, is it's ok to follow him and it's also ok to not give a fuck. Neither are right, neither are wrong.
Therefore, if there's a thread called "Corberan Watch", everyone will have to put up with opinions from both sides. Almost like a forum type set up.

Absolutely fine not to give a fuck, it's a completely valid position to take.

Coming on a thread called "Corberan Watch" just to ensure everyone knows you don't give a fuck is strange behaviour.

Exactly. How hard is it to not click on a thread which doesn't interest you?

I have a lot of respect for the man and I'm keen to see how he does in such a high profile role.

[Bob Fossil]

I don't understand why some people are so by bothered by what others choose to post about. I don't like American Football so I don't look at or post in the NFL thread. If you have no interest in Carlos' Valencia results, feel free to ignore this thread. Coming in here to berate those who are interested is bizarre.

Indeed.

Always strikes me as bizarre and incredibly narcissistic behaviour when people feel the need to join (and even worse start) a thread on a subject they have no interest in just to tell everyone they aren't interested. Imagine thinking your opinion is so important that you even need to tell everyone when you don't have an opinion on something...

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I think the point to be taken, by both sides of the argument, is it's ok to follow him and it's also ok to not give a fuck. Neither are right, neither are wrong.
Therefore, if there's a thread called "Corberan Watch", everyone will have to put up with opinions from both sides. Almost like a forum type set up.

Absolutely fine not to give a fuck, it's a completely valid position to take.

Coming on a thread called "Corberan Watch" just to ensure everyone knows you don't give a fuck is strange behaviour.

Exactly. How hard is it to not click on a thread which doesn't interest you?

I have a lot of respect for the man and I'm keen to see how he does in such a high profile role.

Personally I'm not bothered either way, but I still like to take an interest in the views of others, so I don't think it's fair that I should be told to stay away. from the thread. I could miss a classic!!
Also, playing devil's advocate, wanting him to do badly is being interested, to some. They feel aggrieved that he left and want him to fall on his arse, which might not be very nice but is still valid.

[Tom Joad]

Quite frankly I could not care less about a manager/head coach who is no longer at Albion. He did well while he was here. That is all.

This.  

Some posts on here are akin to a jilted bloke stalking his ex (who is in a new relationship).  Watching games because our ex manager now manages them, is quite simply, insane.

Or maybe some of us actually enjoy football and the things related to football?

+1 

Some of us live in Spain, and therefore have a vested interest in a former manager of ours who is now leading one of the biggest sides in the division that are in the middle of a very tense relegation battle...

There used to be a bloke on here who wrote posts about his daily walks and made up interactions with models and charities... now that was dull.

Twas never dull, fella. He frequently cleared bars defending the weak, cooked exotic foods, walked marathons while rescuing damsels in distress and helpfully pointed out the folly of hanging flower baskets the wrong way up. He was the man we all strive to become.

[MrBater]

Quite frankly I could not care less about a manager/head coach who is no longer at Albion. He did well while he was here. That is all.

This.  

Some posts on here are akin to a jilted bloke stalking his ex (who is in a new relationship).  Watching games because our ex manager now manages them, is quite simply, insane.

Or maybe some of us actually enjoy football and the things related to football?

+1 

Some of us live in Spain, and therefore have a vested interest in a former manager of ours who is now leading one of the biggest sides in the division that are in the middle of a very tense relegation battle...

There used to be a bloke on here who wrote posts about his daily walks and made up interactions with models and charities... now that was dull.

Twas never dull, fella. He frequently cleared bars defending the weak, cooked exotic foods, walked marathons while rescuing damsels in distress and helpfully pointed out the folly of hanging flower baskets the wrong way up. He was the man we all strive to become.

You'll be glad he's back then I guess....

[CA Baggie]

Not for me. I thoroughly enjoyed watching us turn from an unfit, dysfunctional rabble into a superbly organised machine of a team. So many times at the Hawthorns when the opposition couldn't live with us, especially last season. 

I do think he had taken us as far as he could for several reasons, but comparing him to Pulis is an unacceptable re-writing of history, IMO.

Fair enough.

For me yesterday was the best I'd seen us for quite a while and actually enjoyed the game not just aimlessly passing sideways and backwards which we did a lot of under CC IMO.

Time will tell.

Pidge, yesterday wasn't even in our top three performances of the season 

All about opinions. We've been boring as fuck under CC for most of his time here as far as I'm concerned. We got the ball forward so much quicker we looked like we could score at will. Pompey are complete shite obviously.

We didn't though Pidge, the stats just don't support that. 

We had more touches in our defensive third, and amongst the fewest passes into the final third all season. Your last point is key, Pompey were as bad a team at this level as I can remember. They offered no threat and were wide open. So our players had no fear to bomb on when we did break out.

The goals made it enjoyable, which if they continue to flow, will be the main factor in deciding on whether the games are enjoyable for many I think. That's football at the end of the day.

If the stats don’t show we played at a quicker tempo then you’re looking at the stats wrong. I’ll acknowledge it did drop off after the subs etc. as everyone knew the game was done.

I would say tempo is what people are thinking regarding getting the ball forward quicker, there were far fewer triangles with Palmer and much less slowing the game down between the defenders.  The number of passes are less important.  It was passed quicker and often in front of players as opposed to directly to feet, which makes the whole play slower and appear more static.

[Lurker#3]

Fair enough.

For me yesterday was the best I'd seen us for quite a while and actually enjoyed the game not just aimlessly passing sideways and backwards which we did a lot of under CC IMO.

Time will tell.

Pidge, yesterday wasn't even in our top three performances of the season 

All about opinions. We've been boring as fuck under CC for most of his time here as far as I'm concerned. We got the ball forward so much quicker we looked like we could score at will. Pompey are complete shite obviously.

We didn't though Pidge, the stats just don't support that. 

We had more touches in our defensive third, and amongst the fewest passes into the final third all season. Your last point is key, Pompey were as bad a team at this level as I can remember. They offered no threat and were wide open. So our players had no fear to bomb on when we did break out.

The goals made it enjoyable, which if they continue to flow, will be the main factor in deciding on whether the games are enjoyable for many I think. That's football at the end of the day.

If the stats don’t show we played at a quicker tempo then you’re looking at the stats wrong. I’ll acknowledge it did drop off after the subs etc. as everyone knew the game was done.

I would say tempo is what people are thinking regarding getting the ball forward quicker, there were far fewer triangles with Palmer and much less slowing the game down between the defenders.  The number of passes are less important.  It was passed quicker and often in front of players as opposed to directly to feet, which makes the whole play slower and appear more static.

Perhaps CA, but to be honest I didn't see much difference in our approach first half. I saw us keep lots of safe possession and didn't really feel like we were playing through the lines any quicker.

We did however capitalise a number of times on a really poorly organised opposition who offered no threat. My point is that I think people enjoyed the game more solely because of the goals and result rather than the performance.

But I very much hope we see us move the ball through the lines quicker and more directly, as well as run harder towards the opposition's goal in games where the opposition are well organised and take away our space. That's how I like to see football played.

[Sliced]

Pidge, yesterday wasn't even in our top three performances of the season 

All about opinions. We've been boring as fuck under CC for most of his time here as far as I'm concerned. We got the ball forward so much quicker we looked like we could score at will. Pompey are complete shite obviously.

We didn't though Pidge, the stats just don't support that. 

We had more touches in our defensive third, and amongst the fewest passes into the final third all season. Your last point is key, Pompey were as bad a team at this level as I can remember. They offered no threat and were wide open. So our players had no fear to bomb on when we did break out.

The goals made it enjoyable, which if they continue to flow, will be the main factor in deciding on whether the games are enjoyable for many I think. That's football at the end of the day.

If the stats don’t show we played at a quicker tempo then you’re looking at the stats wrong. I’ll acknowledge it did drop off after the subs etc. as everyone knew the game was done.

I would say tempo is what people are thinking regarding getting the ball forward quicker, there were far fewer triangles with Palmer and much less slowing the game down between the defenders.  The number of passes are less important.  It was passed quicker and often in front of players as opposed to directly to feet, which makes the whole play slower and appear more static.

Perhaps CA, but to be honest I didn't see much difference in our approach first half. I saw us keep lots of safe possession and didn't really feel like we were playing through the lines any quicker.

We did however capitalise a number of times on a really poorly organised opposition who offered no threat. My point is that I think people enjoyed the game more solely because of the goals and result rather than the performance.

But I very much hope we see us move the ball through the lines quicker and more directly, as well as run harder towards the opposition's goal in games where the opposition are well organised and take away our space. That's how I like to see football played.

I think you're trying to use selective stats (maybe sub-consciously) to justify your opinion at the time. Us having more touches in the defensive third and less in the attacking third doesn't suggest we're playing through the lines slower than usual, arguably it's the opposite because once we got into that attacking third we didn't spend as much time passing it around.

I also completely disagree with the bolded statement, we had more shots on target that first half than any half of football this season, and as many shots on target in that half than any entire 90 minutes this season with one exception. Putting aside the fact that goals are the only important metric, I don't know how it can be judged as anything other than a good performance. We were in complete control against a poor side, but the result could have easily been 7 or 8.

[Kit Kat Chunky]

All about opinions. We've been boring as fuck under CC for most of his time here as far as I'm concerned. We got the ball forward so much quicker we looked like we could score at will. Pompey are complete shite obviously.

We didn't though Pidge, the stats just don't support that. 

We had more touches in our defensive third, and amongst the fewest passes into the final third all season. Your last point is key, Pompey were as bad a team at this level as I can remember. They offered no threat and were wide open. So our players had no fear to bomb on when we did break out.

The goals made it enjoyable, which if they continue to flow, will be the main factor in deciding on whether the games are enjoyable for many I think. That's football at the end of the day.

If the stats don’t show we played at a quicker tempo then you’re looking at the stats wrong. I’ll acknowledge it did drop off after the subs etc. as everyone knew the game was done.

I would say tempo is what people are thinking regarding getting the ball forward quicker, there were far fewer triangles with Palmer and much less slowing the game down between the defenders.  The number of passes are less important.  It was passed quicker and often in front of players as opposed to directly to feet, which makes the whole play slower and appear more static.

Perhaps CA, but to be honest I didn't see much difference in our approach first half. I saw us keep lots of safe possession and didn't really feel like we were playing through the lines any quicker.

We did however capitalise a number of times on a really poorly organised opposition who offered no threat. My point is that I think people enjoyed the game more solely because of the goals and result rather than the performance.

But I very much hope we see us move the ball through the lines quicker and more directly, as well as run harder towards the opposition's goal in games where the opposition are well organised and take away our space. That's how I like to see football played.

I think you're trying to use selective stats (maybe sub-consciously) to justify your opinion at the time. Us having more touches in the defensive third and less in the attacking third doesn't suggest we're playing through the lines slower than usual, arguably it's the opposite because once we got into that attacking third we didn't spend as much time passing it around.

I also completely disagree with the bolded statement, we had more shots on target that first half than any half of football this season, and as many shots on target in that half than any entire 90 minutes this season with one exception. Putting aside the fact that goals are the only important metric, I don't know how it can be judged as anything other than a good performance. We were in complete control against a poor side, but the result could have easily been 7 or 8.

All I know is that we weren't looking to pass back all the time. It was far better.

[Lurker#3]

I think you're trying to use selective stats (maybe sub-consciously) to justify your opinion at the time. Us having more touches in the defensive third and less in the attacking third doesn't suggest we're playing through the lines slower than usual, arguably it's the opposite because once we got into that attacking third we didn't spend as much time passing it around.

I also completely disagree with the bolded statement, we had more shots on target that first half than any half of football this season, and as many shots on target in that half than any entire 90 minutes this season with one exception. Putting aside the fact that goals are the only important metric, I don't know how it can be judged as anything other than a good performance. We were in complete control against a poor side, but the result could have easily been 7 or 8.

Not at all mate.

I quoted touches in the defensive third as a way of seeing how much time we spent in the defensive third in possession as theres no stat for passes completed each area, but being as we dominated possession I chose to look at passes INTO the final third to see how much we tried to attack and progress the ball through the lines, and its was really low, I think the 5th lowest of year from memory. This is supported by us having a really low number of touches in the final third however, too.

I did also counter it by saying we had far more penalty area entrances which is a huge positive, as this is where that freedom, confidence and "off the leash" mentality approach comes in and makes the difference. 

What I do want to see though, and I think its more important than the point above is us working repeatable patterns to get us into the final third consistently in a controlled manner where we develop overloads and good attacking opportunities. If we look at the goals v Pompey, Jeds and Swifts were the 2 really well crafted and executed goals. I want to see more of that.

[HawkingsHalfpint]

If he gets Valencia relegated can we rename this ‘Fred “Corberan Botch”?