Aston Tel Aviv Protests

[Squid]

I think all of this AI/Google crap is missing the point, and as bumbling and stupid as the CC looks the sad reality of this situation is that he was damned if he did, and damned if he didn’t. From where I sit, at least, anyway.

The gigantic elephant in the room is the (now global) situation itself. From fan-bans in a craphole to a writer’s festival in Adelaide having to be cancelled… the detail is so often being framed as the devil when it is simply and abjectly not the case.

Couldn't agree more. There's plenty who deny the existence of the elephant, despite it trampling all over the lives of young people in Iran.

Proth - you have now spent years denying the horrors that the Israeli state is inflicting upon Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Occasionally, you will claim that babies and children being bombed in their homes is "FAFO" or that there are "degrees of innocence."

[Protheroe]

"The home secretary has declared she no longer has confidence in the chief constable of West Midlands police following a “damning” report into the decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to Birmingham.

In a Commons statement, Shabana Mahmood said the report from His Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Constabulary Andy Cooke identified widespread failing at the force headed by Craig Guildford.

But she told MPs that under the law she did not have the power to sack him – as this is down to the local police and crime commissioner.

“The interim report from Sir Andy is damning,” she said. “There is no other way to describe it.”


The report found West Midlands police overstated the threat posed by Maccabi Tel Aviv fans while understating those posed to fans if they travelled to the area, she added."


The Home Secretary knows more than most about Islamist extremists in Birmingham than most having successfully faced them down at the last election - and the most disgusting behaviour at an election count I've ever witnessed. 

Thank goodness the PCC position is being discontinued. The Chief Constable has to go now, and take the spurious "Safety Committee" with him.

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I think all of this AI/Google crap is missing the point, and as bumbling and stupid as the CC looks the sad reality of this situation is that he was damned if he did, and damned if he didn’t. From where I sit, at least, anyway.

The gigantic elephant in the room is the (now global) situation itself. From fan-bans in a craphole to a writer’s festival in Adelaide having to be cancelled… the detail is so often being framed as the devil when it is simply and abjectly not the case.

Couldn't agree more. There's plenty who deny the existence of the elephant, despite it trampling all over the lives of young people in Iran.

Proth - you have now spent years denying the horrors that the Israeli state is inflicting upon Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Occasionally, you will claim that babies and children being bombed in their homes is "FAFO" or that there are "degrees of innocence."

Hamas is a violent offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Its terror tactics are pretty much wholly financed and faciltated by Iran. Gazans know exactly what Hamas is yet once upon a time Gazans voted Hamas into government. Did they expect peace? Did they expect a two-state solution?  Did they expect no reaction to Oct 7th? So yes, there are degrees of innocence.

I don't think there's any doubt that Israel's response is disproportionate. But to be fair they do seem to have grabbed the opportunity Hamas gave them to pretty much decapitate Iranian influence in Gaza and everywhere else.

[tHEgLASSdOORS]

Slight tangent but I do wonder to what degree Trump focusing on Venezuala and Iran is at least partly a way of weakening Russia (oil from Ven, Drones from Iran) without direct confrontation

[Protheroe]

Slight tangent but I do wonder to what degree Trump focusing on Venezuala and Iran is at least partly a way of weakening Russia (oil from Ven, Drones from Iran) without direct confrontation

There's a dual aspect; Russia & China. China can't invade Taiwan without oil. If I was a cynic I'd suspect Trump and Xi will grant each other rights to Taiwan and Greenland respectively when they next meet. But Taiwan on Trumps fossil fueled terms.

[Squid]

"The home secretary has declared she no longer has confidence in the chief constable of West Midlands police following a “damning” report into the decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to Birmingham.

In a Commons statement, Shabana Mahmood said the report from His Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Constabulary Andy Cooke identified widespread failing at the force headed by Craig Guildford.

But she told MPs that under the law she did not have the power to sack him – as this is down to the local police and crime commissioner.

“The interim report from Sir Andy is damning,” she said. “There is no other way to describe it.”


The report found West Midlands police overstated the threat posed by Maccabi Tel Aviv fans while understating those posed to fans if they travelled to the area, she added."


The Home Secretary knows more than most about Islamist extremists in Birmingham than most having successfully faced them down at the last election - and the most disgusting behaviour at an election count I've ever witnessed. 

Thank goodness the PCC position is being discontinued. The Chief Constable has to go now, and take the spurious "Safety Committee" with him.

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I think all of this AI/Google crap is missing the point, and as bumbling and stupid as the CC looks the sad reality of this situation is that he was damned if he did, and damned if he didn’t. From where I sit, at least, anyway.

The gigantic elephant in the room is the (now global) situation itself. From fan-bans in a craphole to a writer’s festival in Adelaide having to be cancelled… the detail is so often being framed as the devil when it is simply and abjectly not the case.

Couldn't agree more. There's plenty who deny the existence of the elephant, despite it trampling all over the lives of young people in Iran.

Proth - you have now spent years denying the horrors that the Israeli state is inflicting upon Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Occasionally, you will claim that babies and children being bombed in their homes is "FAFO" or that there are "degrees of innocence."

Hamas is a violent offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Its terror tactics are pretty much wholly financed and faciltated by Iran. Gazans know exactly what Hamas is yet once upon a time Gazans voted Hamas into government. Did they expect peace? Did they expect a two-state solution?  Did they expect no reaction to Oct 7th? So yes, there are degrees of innocence.

I don't think there's any doubt that Israel's response is disproportionate. But to be fair they do seem to have grabbed the opportunity Hamas gave them to pretty much decapitate Iranian influence in Gaza and everywhere else.

An election conducted twenty years ago makes it ok for Palestinian children to bombed and starved and also somehow less innocent? 

And as you've been told repeatedly on here:

Nobody voted for Hamas in the West Bank and the Israeli State bulldozes their houses and allows Israeli settlers to murder them with impunity. 

Besides which, deciding that it's ok to kill people because how they voted in an election is a very dangerous argument. It's the sort of thing Osama Bin Laden used to say, but maybe he's an inspirational figure to you now.

[Jacko]

So to bring it back on topic, WMP determined the outcome they wanted (ban the hooligans Jews), then made (including actual fabrication) their evidence fit that outcome. Then lied about it to the public, and then again to parliament.

Absolute shitshow.

The Home Sec has now waded in, which makes Guildford's position untenable, he must resign.

[Protheroe]

Quite. Imagine for a moment that you had played down the threat of a violent hate crime by a particular section of the community, then fabricated evidence of previous offences by the potential victims of that violent hate crime. You wouldn't keep your job as Chief Constable? Would you?

[Jacko]

It's just the Friends of Israel kicking up a needless fuss. Nothing to see here.

[Pontificator]

So to bring it back on topic, WMP determined the outcome they wanted (ban the hooligans Jews), then made (including actual fabrication) their evidence fit that outcome. Then lied about it to the public, and then again to parliament.

Absolute shitshow.

The Home Sec has now waded in, which makes Guildford's position untenable, he must resign.

He's made a dodgy arrangement with Simon Foster with his pension. He's gonna try and screw everything he can out of the Birminghan council tax payer. I do hope he is sacked for incompetence and roundlyy condemned for being a coward and bringing the force and the City into disrepute. And while we are on it where does the islamist cllrs and MPs factionalism fit in with the Nolan Principles

[Pipkins]

Unbelievable the head of WM Police made decisions based on AI

Those PCC posts should never have been created in the first place Its another example of the cons wasting public money on crap when they dismissed 20K officers (May & Cameron)

Sooner they are gone the better
High time the heads of police were appointed on skills & attributes rather than sucking up to the latest political head
Was he dimissed from a similar post in another part of UK?