Reform- failed Tories who led the Brexit disaster
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(01-21-2026, 07:06 AM)Pontificator Wrote:
(01-20-2026, 02:24 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:
(01-20-2026, 09:06 AM)Pontificator Wrote:
(01-19-2026, 09:23 AM)man in the corner shop Wrote: And there we have it. "It was the GFC guv, nothing to do with me or my party guv. That GFC was caused by Gordon Brown you know, guv.
Come back guv, stop covering your ears up guv. I have something relevant to say"

The “Labour caused the crash by spending too much” was every day of course. It was the biggest single lie from a government in my long life. Clegg, Cable, Alexander et al gave it their full throated support (sanctimonious lying power hungry fuckwits) The MSM particularly the BBC failed to challenge it. It cut through. The opposition went missing just as the Torys have for the last 19 months. What's next?

(01-16-2026, 12:12 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:
(01-16-2026, 11:16 AM)Squid Wrote: Blaming the LD failure to achieve any sort of cut through on the mainstream media when social media has far more reach seems a bit of a limp excuse. I'm sure the LD party isn't poor. A decent comms team could do a lot for them. Likewise, getting their more charismatic MPs out there. Just shrugging their shoulders and saying "Alas, we're too sensible to be popular" is really rather weak.

Populism is not the same as being popular and communicating on social media is about soundbites and responses to those soundbites and not deep policy proposals and their implications.

(01-16-2026, 12:11 PM)Pontificator Wrote: The point about them there Lib Dem whoppers, they were 100% behind Osborn and thats where it all started

The fiscal policy response implemented during the coalition was the same as was presented by Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling. Are you a Corbynite now?

OK Darling started cutting the deficit, but the pace and scale mattered. The tory led government chose to accelerate austerity, through ideological cuts, rather than necessity. Talk of structural deficits and balancing the books was the cover for shrinking the state. Economists warned that austerity in a slump would prolong the downturn. They were right: growth was stifled, services hollowed out, productivity stalled and we’re still paying the price. And of course it led to Brexit. Corbyn was right about the cuts.

The cuts made during the coalition were in line with the March 2015 budget and 2010 Labour manifesto. It was not "accelerated" until the first budget after the May 2015 election

In fact, the scale of cuts was softer than what Labour proposed as it happened over 5 years Vs the 4 year programme from Labour.

The labour manifesto implied future spending 46 billion cuts over 4 years, Osborn doubled it and even took false credit by saying his failed long term plan (LOL) had prepared us for the financial cost of COVID. Darling intended a more gradual approach and Osborn accelerated them. Darling proposed a combination of an increase in taxes which was the decent alternative and cuts, anathema to any Tory intent on shrinking the state

Spending was cut by £40bn in real terms over 5 years between 2010 and 2015 compared to the planned £46bn over 4 years with no plan for year 5 by Labour. What the hell are you on about?
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