28 point “peace plan”
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(11-22-2025, 02:17 PM)HawkingsHalfpint Wrote: I think Trump had divvied up Ukraine long before he returned to office; and he’s now paying back the guy who helped get him there not once but twice. I’ve never trusted Zelenskyy much (his rapid firing of almost the whole executive, followed by a complete u-turn over his own corruption agencies speaks volumes about his administration to me) but he is either complicit in all of this, or learning that you shouldn’t dance with the devil.

But, unfortunately, it’s a situation not all of his own making. Yes, the Donbas situation was hardly milk and honey for years before all of this, and always had the potential to kick off further. But Europe largely ignored it to keep Putin sweet, meanwhile winding him up by going back on the Madrid agreements.

Absolutely nobody comes out of this with any credit, the two largest superpowers will benefit, meanwhile everyone else bears the brunt - and, not least, the poor Ukrainian people and victims on both sides.

It is a truly shit world in which we live.
I'd say the Ukraine people come out of it with huge credit. Widely predicted to roll over in a week, 3 years on and they are far from defeated while their spirit remains defiant. As for corruption,  there is a long history of it and important as it might be it has to come a pale second to being under bombardment on many fronts. Russia are the aggressor here and no mistake.
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28 point “peace plan” - by tHEgLASSdOORS - 11-20-2025, 09:29 PM
RE: 28 point “peace plan” - by Squid - 11-21-2025, 12:16 AM
RE: 28 point “peace plan” - by Tom Joad 25 - 11-21-2025, 05:09 PM
RE: 28 point “peace plan” - by DemonicBaggie - 11-21-2025, 05:57 PM
RE: 28 point “peace plan” - by HugeHons - 11-21-2025, 06:44 PM
RE: 28 point “peace plan” - by Tom Joad 25 - 11-22-2025, 03:28 PM
RE: 28 point “peace plan” - by Squid - 11-22-2025, 08:04 PM

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