11-17-2025, 07:41 AM
(11-17-2025, 01:25 AM)Tom Joad 25 Wrote:(11-16-2025, 08:27 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Labour under Starmer and his awful ‘advisers’ have no real plan or vision, they are a vacuous bunch who lurch further and further right in the vain hope Reform and Brexity Tory types vote for them… they won’t, unless they get rid of them the Labour Party will be a minority party at the next election.
The fact they are more than happy to purge and alienate thousands on the left of Labour Party in pursuit of untenable votes to the right tells you everything you need to know about the lack of values, credibility and just plain old politic nouse Starmer, McSweeney and the Scottish bloke from Wolverhampton have. It’s absolute madness that only Centrist Dad’s and Blue Labour types believe in.
The drift further and further right has achieved what so far? Tanking approval ratings, the most unpopular leader on record and the emboldening of the far right Reform Party ffs! It’s embarrassing, how much do No10 advisers get paid to be this shit?
I have absolutely no idea what a centre-ist dad is. I do think Labour were the only party to vote for at the last election. The glee felt by many at the lack of their original thought needs to be balanced with the current situation. Bloody Hell! I agree Labour are under-achieving, no doubt, but where else should you vote? The seeds of this damage were planted almost 50 years ago by a party that sowed division and fed on greed. The very workers that did the hardest jobs, that sweated over molten metals, that built ships or dug coal from a third of a mile underground were not only discredited but branded as enemies, those that didn't die from industrial disease that is. Meanwhile banks and financial snake oil salesmen were the ones leading us to the promised land. Social housing was sold off, as were national- and local - assets, essential services especially. Newspapers spoke of a post industrial landscape but did not care all it meant was Merry Hill/Metrocentre/Meadowhall, low wages, low skills. Just look at the country now and tell me we were well served by those that told us that it was the workers being too greedy that was the problem.
Tell me how Sunak winning the election and explaining how bad things really are would be preferable? Surely the most desirable result was exactly what happened, a wipeout? It is going badly, no doubt, how else was it ever going to be? But the dissatisfaction is primarily fed by outside influences feeding ignorance while ignoring basic and genuine concerns. I think Labour are poorly prepared and very badly advised, but they were still the best hope for the country I want for my offspring. Fight it from within, surely? Not by giving credence to those that have already caused all the problems.
The problem is, No10 are the ones who are pushing out left of centre members and even MPs. Until they are gone nothing will get any better for Labour’s popularity or ability to win the next election.

