Flag shaggers

[Derek Hardballs]

Population has grown 13M since 1990, of that approx 7M has been net migration and of those 7M the vast majority are needed to work in industries that support the population, health and welfare (the doctors and dentists that you want more of). We have an ageing population that needs immigration to make the system work. You flying a flag for a few months before it becomes tattered and torn will solve nothing.

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The irony of you including an insult to any near the centre of politics and acknowledging that seeds of discontent are sown by malign parties is obviously lost here. You are happy to blame a certain demographic whilst pointing out the foolishness of other people blaming certain demographics.

Considering you couldn’t work out twice in one tiny thread I posted who posted what reply I wouldn’t be so quick to criticise others. 

Labour are offering very little alternative to what Sunak offered, that’s a major reason that those on the extremes of political discourse have seized the narrative and Labour are left trying to do Bovby Davro style impressions of Tory and Reform rhetoric just in the forlorn hope they will attract those voters. It’s never going to happen and their is no alternative story being told for a better future under Labour.

I'm pointing out your talking of discourse sown by bots and politicians whilst at the same time believing discourse sown by bots and politicians. When I make a mistake I recognise it, you on the other hand can't see that you are doing what you criticise.

Labour have had just over 12 months with very little room to do anything and are trying to deal with problems that are being discussed - like the one you are discussing now. That's not a defence that's a reality.

Who are you replying to when you say ‘you flying a flag’? 

Can you perhaps point out where I’m believing the discourse? 

Seriously you’re just making crap up now, that bares no relation to what I actually posted. 

As for admitting your mistakes you never even acknowledged that it wasn’t me you were replying to, calling me out for picking on you, when I hadn’t even replied to you, or mentioned you in the entire thread. You’re doing the same in this thread, when did I mention you? Who jumped in with studs showing in the replies? 

The reality is Labour need to offer an alternative to the last 14 years, not more of same. They have lost the narrative to the right wing and they offer nothing positive as a counter argument. Saying politics is l hard for the next four years isn’t going to help them implement any decent policies they might have over the long term.

If you're not talking about flags that you are flying it's not to you, especially when the post is pointing out immigration is needed and population growth is the problem not some chaps in hotels.

I did acknowledge my error, as I always do. MICS had done such a good impression of one of your posts my old eyes never even clocked it wasn't you on my phone screen. I've yet to see you recognise your misconceptions.

You talk of discourse fed by social media whilst posting about 'centrist mcw' as if they're the problem. You have a very narrow view that doesn't take into account the reality of the situation we are in, that is fed by information and algorithms that you see on your feed. Workers Rights (implemented) and Planning Reform (looks at BB to see where this one is) are two boring changes that will benefit us all, however you focus on what you feed tells you about housing migrants in HMOs in poor areas, whereas they are being housed everywhere (I know of two hotels in Solihull - not your archetypal poor area). 

You will stick to your guns no doubt and tbh I can't be arsed any more to try and debate with you because you have lost the art.

Your reply is a perfect example of why I am critical of middle class centrists. You post like you’re intellectually superior from others, proclaiming that I’ve succumb to algorithms in my feeds the inference is you’re above such things. You cannot comprehend that criticism of Labour’s tenure so far and even on the run up to the last election has been justified. It’s far easier to think someone you thought had a similar outlook to yourself has gone down a rabbit hole of bots and nefarious politicians. 

You seem to treat politics as an academic study, ‘knowing what’s best’ for society, which is akin to how Labour are approaching government. This approach is naive and simply serves to fuel resentment amongst communities whether its immigration, planning, welfare reform, tax… the only way that is acceptable, intelligent and realistic is decided by a narrow band of middle class, white collar, career politicians and advisers and those that identify and support this view are now the only people likely to vote for them.