(12-02-2021, 05:55 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote:
(12-02-2021, 05:36 PM)baggy1 Wrote: The big picture is the numbers in hospital graph here: Healthcare in UK
If you look at the trends during 2020 compare with 2021 they are virtually identical curves until it reaches the start of August 2021 where it changes. It is no coincidence that by August we over 80% of the population with one dose and over 65% with both. I really don't see what other reason there is for the curve being broken and if we as a nation think that we don't need to have that 80% plus level of vaccination kept up for the short term at least then we will drift into other restrictions. This will continue until the globe catches up and the virus doesn't have a region to mutate and spread in.
No that's not the bigger picture. That's the direct effect.
Why will 80% plus work, given what happened in Singapore?
What has happened in Singapore? 88% vaccination, lots of cases and 1,500 in hospital from what I read - Is Singapore the new Sweden on Twitter by any chance?
Singapore has the highest vax rate in the world (bar the odd small island), and still had an enormous wave in October.
That casts severe doubt on our rate being enough to stop another bad wave. Does it not?
I've already explained in the numbers that we are also having a huge wave, 75% of the peak of our worst wave. But that isn't resulting in hospitalisation here, or by the looks of it, in Singapore.
(12-02-2021, 05:54 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: I am on my phone so hard to be sure but this doesn't seem to indicate we are particularly much different from many countries.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021...acker.html
Germany are the nearest to us in numbers vaccinated and they have less % vaccinated with a bigger population and you need to look at the timing of it as well - the figures on there are at a point in time when they have just had a massive push and vaccination programme, we have been at this position for a while now. When the wave hit them they had a much lower number when we were already in a good place.