UK Covid death toll

[backsidebaggie]

The vaccine, and repeated boosters indefinitely, will be mandated in the end. Or at the very least required to such a degree it’s virtually impossible to have any kind of normal life.

It’s not hard to see how governments are edging towards this. Debates on, for example, whether people working with the vulnerable require it are only one aspect of a much bigger issue IMO, as that’s just a stepping stone - a job that’s easier to mandate first. There’s way too many things happened that don’t make sense for me to trust any government right now. In my opinion they’re boiling the frog slowly.

Unless something very significant happens and there’s a big change in direction, it’s a booster every year for life or second class living. The state will decide.

Whether people are happy for the state to decide on medical treatment/vaccines should be the question people ask themselves, whatever their feelings on this particular jab. I know how I stand on this, but I’d just say whatever anyone’s opinion, there’s a bigger picture. This isn’t just about the covid jab, so don’t make your mind up based on only that. In my opinion.

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The most baffling part for me, undoubtedly, is why we don't acknowledge that recovery from COVID gives protection from COVID. That is a fact. It's not complete protection but then neither is the vaccine. Why is this information not being used at all when informing public policy?

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Who’d have thought it? I was told a few posts ago that this policy on care staff was common sense. Really??? Absolute madness IMO, when testing has worked fine. NHS next, then other jobs IMO.

Holy Moly bb, you really need to pack in the tin hat theories. Johnson, Hancock and whoever was on the podium that day made stupid unpromisable promises on a regular basis, nothing changed the trajectory of what was needed until the jab came in. Now we have the jab we are still learning but IMO not far off, we appear to have stumbled into a solution in that we have high numbers of jabbed aligned with high number with immunity from having had covid. This appears to be keeping the hospitalisations at a steady level (just over 6k today compared with just over 5k at the start of August) despite the fact we are running as normal in virtually every sense (not certain where you feel it is virtually impossible to have any sort of normal life). I imagine that they are being over cautious going into winter because we simply don't know how it will go, I expect it to increase but not to previous levels, hence why there is such a big focus on getting the vaccine.

And as for care homes, if you think that care homes weren't always leaving people in their pyjamas until tea time or putting them in someone else's clothes regularly then you haven't been paying much attention. There has always been a job shortage in the sector, that doesn't mean it is sensible at this point to have someone unvaccinated and caring for the vulnerable. 

You've been banging on about the conspiracy theory that this is a government control conspiracy driven by what we can't say, but it really is the government reflecting what the majority of society think. If it does help I do believe that by spring I think they will recognise that a combination of the jab and previous infections will mean that we can get back to normal and this is why they have put the NHS date back to April 1st so that they can see how the winter goes. If I'm wrong I'll join the resistance with you and fight them on the barricades.

Numbers in hospital down to 6,062 in England after being 7,291 on the 3rd Nov, 5,017 on the 29th Sept, 6,236 on the 1st Sept and 4,944 on the 4th August - all pretty steady but expect it to grow over the next few months.

I haven’t mentioned anything that’s a conspiracy theory. Not a jot. I’ve backed up everything I’ve said, whether you agree or not. To label it tin foil hat is lazy and not fair in the slightest.

I’ve pointed out many things that don’t add up, lies, and policies that don’t “follow the science.” That’s not tin foil hat.

I’ve predicted what I think will happen with mandations. Thats a prediction. If I’m wrong, great. Time will tell. But if I am right, I suspect many will defend it with “anyone who thought this wouldn’t be required needs to give their head a wobble etc…”. As I say, I hope I’m wrong. But I have not based any of this on conspiracy theories. I’ve based it on the pattern of what’s happened and how I see things going around the world. Disagree fine, but labelling any of this as a conspiracy theory is unfair and wrong.

As for care homes, this mandate is making the shortage worse. That’s a fact. It’s madness when testing has worked fine.

And DH: listing stories of tragic deaths and pressure on the nhs due to “anti vaxxers” does not mean bodily autonomy is not fundamental to many people. We all make choices, and many are bad fir our health. That’s life. It doesn’t matter if you or I think peoples choices are stupid, or not stupid. It’s irrelevant. To list articles about the negatives impact of peoples choices, even if bad choices, and then say “but bodily autonomy”? Ridiculous. We all want the choice to eat what we want, drink what we want, do risky sports if we want etc. Many of those choices will have negative impacts on our health. That doesn’t mean the state should decide what we do with our bodies. Your post was frankly ridiculous.