11-19-2021, 12:02 PM
(11-19-2021, 11:39 AM)baggy1 Wrote: You're conflating two very separate issues bb - the government statements by Hancock, Johnson et al are meaningless words spouted by idiots. I truly hope that the electorate remember the ineffective leadership through the campaign and punish them at the next opportunity. You are giving a bunch of morons credit for a strategy to divide and rule, they really haven't got the nous to plan that to get them to success.
Then there is common sense, you keep quoting % figures because it makes the numbers look smaller. 20% of the available population not having had a 2nd jab is 11M people, that is a shed load of people that could help the situation but haven't yet. Of them there will be a percentage that can't have the jab for good reason, reaction to the 1st being a very good reason, and then there will be some that can't be arsed and that is the group that are causing the pain point. Whether we agree on this point we do need to get more jabbed to provide more protection - we have good protection with the jabs so far, whilst we are still learning we simply have to get as many done as possible. Relying on either jab or antibodies is simply not enough, we need jab as a minimum and if we have antibodies from infection then better still, not something that is to be used in place of.
As it stands there is no reason to see that we will follow the steps we are seeing in Europe, but if I were governing I would be closing the borders now and having a big push to get the 2nd jabs number up and as many people have boosters as possible.
No I'm not conflating two issues. They know exactly what they're doing to divide and rule IMO, and I'm 100% convinced this would be the same under Labour.
You keep saying people "need" to. It doesn't matter what you, or I, or anyone think they need to do. Many DON'T WANT TO. It doesn't matter how much you do a "big push", people have made their mind up!
Relying on antibodies isn't enough? We "need" more jabbed. We "need" two jabs. We "need" a booster. We "need" covid passports. We need this, we need that. At what point are you going to accept that some have made their mind up that they don't want it, and its not working even at the high vaccination rates we have?
The vax rates are excellent in Ireland and their cases are rocketing. So how in gods name are the ones who "can't be arsed" (a few per cent?) going to make any difference? It is absolutely extraordinary that anyone can still think this. Virtually everyone is vaccinated in Gibralter I believe, yet cases are going up there!
You say the vax protection is "good". Depends how you look at it. Individually, yes I agree. To get us out the pandemic, I think its garbage! Its absolute shit! Look at Europe. All around three quarters vaxxed and look at the state of it!
It doesn't matter how much these things don't work to get us out of this, some still think plough on with the same route.
But most importantly, if you think this is persuasive for those who don't want the vaccine, you've got it totally backwards. What's happened is only convincing people not to get the vaccine. Can't you see that? There's even people who had the first two who are refusing boosters because they've clicked its not "getting us out of it".
There's only two ways to get the vax rate up - total exclusion from society, and force. That's it. You up for that? I'm fucking not! Its gross! Let alone the problems that come with it when some do rebel!
And just imagine, even if we do go down that line (I hope to god not, its horrifying), just imagine if that still doesn't "get us out of this"........ Crikey imagine being forced to have a vaccine then told 6 months later you're being locked down..... LOL!