11-20-2020, 02:18 PM
(11-20-2020, 12:45 PM)billybassett Wrote: I know many friends and family under 60 who are working to keep food on their table and their houses over their heads - No issue with that
Covid is the least of their problems after a first lockdown and then a completely unneeded second one. The rates of hospitalisations and those in hospital were rising week on week, excess deaths have started to increase following that, I've shown you this many times. If you can't see that doing nothing meant that those would have continued to rise then you are blind.
Family who are teachers who can spend their days with 30-40 kids but can't see their elderly parents. They can't see their elderly parents because they may pass on a virus that may kill them, you not seeing this is crazy.
I notice people yet again having a dig at those who say going back to some form of normality is not possible. It absolutely is possible because we manage it every winter flu season when thousands of elderly and vulnerable die of respiratory illnesses. Again Covid is far more deadly than flu no matter how you keep denying it.
And I'll say again because this bored seems generally incapable of understanding the question of whether this lockdown and current measures are in the best interests overall for our society in terms of overall health, education, finance, economy, mental heath etc etc. The usual suspects dodge the question I don't understand why. If they can provide a compelling argument for this being in our best interests I'll happily listen to it. It seems that the argument that we can't possibly know is enough to assuage them from having a debate about it and mollify their conscience in the almost certain probability that over the next 3-5 years the overall costs to life and economy will far outweigh the actions we've taken. This has been answered time and time again but just because we can't provide you with a formulaic answer to how many deaths will be caused at what cost probability vs covid being seen and known to cause excess deaths. You keep saying this hasn't been answered but maybe you need to read responses rather than deny them.
I think, this inability to engage on this level and the arguments being made, is in all probability an output of the fact that the demographics of this bored are probably overwhelmingly of a certain type (a hypothesis based on the people posting and what they post). I would probably say that this bored is almost certainly not a good cross-section of the total population of the UK. I would say that the vast majority of the population is abiding by the rules that this bored is a reasonable representation.
I've answered in bold - it doesn't help your argument when you keep posting manipulated graphs and skewed data and ignore cold hard facts (no matter how much you play them down). We do have a much higher number of deaths this year than normal, and that number of excess deaths has started to increase again over the last 4 weeks measured.
The problem as I see it is that people are now arguing for the sake of arguing - we have a vaccine on the very near horizon and we only need to carry on like this for a few more weeks.