UK Covid death toll

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There are no facts in what you are saying there Billy, just speculation and interpretation. You are gambling on a theory that covid isn’t going to impact on the country in the way that it did earlier in the year. And as much as I dislike the government I don’t think they are blaming last years NHS problems on covid.

Plenty of facts but you refuse to listen.

Still nothing from you on the shocking PCR tests

Still nothing from you on how we could have possibly cured the 4 other seasonal respiratory viruses and pneumonia.

Still nothing from you on classing deaths from covid tests as Covid deaths even though they were either nosocomial or comorbid.

Still nothing from you on why the lockdown and masks will work this time but they didn't for 10 weeks before.

Still nothing on our comparison with Sweden.

You've been sold one and your pants are down. Your facts are the facts of the madhouse. Carry on locking eh? Goodbye Britain I'm.sure you'll be happy picking through the ashes.

You are losing it mate, I have tried throughout this to keep the facts simple and not run off looking at red herrings or fall for the 'look over here' fantasist theories around testing, Sweden and whatever distraction tactic is being used by the twitterati today.

Let's take this back to basics, Lockdown is a blunt instrument, one that should be used as a last resort, it doesn't cure covid, it delays it and buys time to fix the other tools in the armoury. Unfortunately we have a government that are an absolute shambles who have spend more time looking after their mates than the people of the UK. We should have had an effective test and trace system in place, we should have been able to identify where a flare up was and close that locality, for this failure alone we should have had resignations from at least the health secretary, or the head of test and trace, or the prime minister himself. Instead we are arguing amongst ourselves about which sock to put on first. And to be clear, I don't agree with a lockdown or want one, but we have been put in a position where there really is no choice. It is damaging to the economy and peoples health but you seem to be directing your anger at me rather than those in power.

If you want examples of effective lockdowns look at South Korea, Australia, and in fact virtually every country in the world that is now managing it with, at worst regional lockdowns. However it is pointless comparing us with anywhere else because we have different demographics. And as for Sweden, FFS man look at how they compare with their neighbours not us - they are twice our size geographically and have one sixth of our population. Their biggest city has 1 million people, we are not comparable. 

PCR tests - what the fuck has that got to do with anything I have ever posted. I have avoided using cases or number of tests completed because they are useless statistics. like I've said keep it simple, look at the number of people being kept in hospital on covid wards, that number is increasing at a rate of 1.4 a week for the last six weeks, if we carry on doing what we are doing, what makes you think that will change? I said weeks ago that we would have 10k in hospital by the end of the month, we had 9.2k in hospital on the 31st - I'm not some magic soothsayer, I just followed an obvious path that we were on because it's blindingly fucking obvious. 

Masks - what is the problem with wearing one, if it does absolutely fuck all good and no harm what is the problem? As the jury is out on hard evidence but we have the basic evidence that doctors and nurses have been wearing them for decades in protecting against respiratory diseases, lets go with it instead of crying like babbies because it infringes your civil liberties.

And classification of deaths - what the actual fuck again. I've simply posted the excess deaths this year, they are at 55k in England and Wales for 2020 against the 5 year average (against 2019 it is 62K). If you know of any reason other than covid that would have caused this then let us know. Earlier on in the year some on here were saying "it will average out over the year, they are just dying early" but that hasn't happened. You are banging on about the excess deaths since June have been none existent - it was the fucking summer, of course respiratory diseases tend not to kill too many people at that time of year. Since the start of June there have been 169 people less died in 2020 compared with 2019; compared with the 5 year average there have been 1,983 more people die in 2020. We will find out from this point forward if there is a problem, not comparing with the summer months.

And finally I've tried to debate with you at all points, we've both had minor jabs at each other but nothing more than teasing and playground stuff. By taking it up a level and having a go at me personallywhen all i have done is post simple stats and extrapolating them then you are out of order. I try and be civil on all matters but if you want to take it up a level then I'm more than happy to ridicule you and your loony tune ideas - that would be counterproductive and stupid, so take a step back from insulting me so that we can continue the debate.