UK Covid death toll

[Ted Maul]

Not strictly true billy, the figures that are showing is for all deaths including influenza and other respiratory illnesses and is still higher this year. You get into problems when you start trying to compare what has been written on a death cert. I'm trying to keep this simple with the 'there are more / less people dying this year' approach - that way we can see the impact of anything different this year (clearly covid).

Like I say next week will be a really big indicator of a second wave or more a second ripple, let's not make any bones about it, there are more deaths this year than ever and by a considerable enough amount to take out population growth. We stand at 55k more deaths in E&W than the 5YA and nearly 62k against 2019. For balance, since the end of May that figure has been lower (only 2k excess deaths in 20 weeks) but it is rising again.

Well you're assuming that covid cases and admissions are being logged appropriately.

2 examples from me just this week. Footballing friend went in with an ankle issue - turns out it was fractured. After a scan he was asked to have a test (please say no) he tested positive. One more case for you.

Old lady we know goes in for a routine check up, has to stay a bit longer as thought she had heart murmur. Was tested. Positive. No symptoms. Another case for you.

I mean come on. Stop fucking testing healthy people with no symptoms for a flu. If people can't see that's madness and something we've never done for flu then I'm afraid humanity is going to hit rock bottom very soon.

And before anyone says it, it is tragic 45K have died though we already know from the Sunday Times reporting this week many of those won't be covid (because of the reporting) and many never went to hospital because they were scared by the govt into not going and thus died when they could have been saved.

I mean have you heard that New Zealand are likely to set up quarantine camps for people. People can be forcibly removed to camps if there is a risk they may infect others in their households. They will be detained without charge, or conviction of any crime, until they agree to a test & it’s negative. Jesus christ it's downright scary and fascist.

In fairness to New Zealand, they also had a stadium full of people to watch a rugby match the other week and have had barely any deaths.

Swings and roundabouts.