Sandwell Councillor defects to Reform

[man in the corner shop]

People will draw their own conclusions whatever I post. Equally I will draw my own conclusions from what they post, or don't post.

As it is the bodycount of innocents has risen again today.

Funny, I never saw you say that about the civilians of gaza.
But not all innocents are equal eh?

[Protheroe]

But not all innocents are equal eh?

That's a very interesting point you make.

I think the answer, sadly - is no.

When I see the faces of the little girls butchered at a pop concert in Manchester, or think of the young women being filmed as they were raped and murdered at a festival on October 7th, the 10 year old girl dead on the beach yesterday or indeed the thousands of people like me peacefully at work in a couple of office towers - I think perhaps yes there are gradations of innocence.

What do you think? If you think at all that is.

Your whole persona on this part of the board seems to be ad hominen attacks on me (and others) and misrepresentations of what I've posted. I've lost count of the number of times you've claimed that I'm a Reform supporter when nothing could be further from the truth. Thankfully I'm able to chuckle and ignore the majority of the garbage you post. 

I took a break from here for a while after the last terrorist outrage when a friend of mine lost a good mate. It didn't take long for this place to descend to the cesspit then. It's in the sewer again now.

[rsbaggy2]

People will draw their own conclusions whatever I post. Equally I will draw my own conclusions from what they post, or don't post.

As it is the bodycount of innocents has risen again today.

Do you ever stop to think why you get attacked on here by many? Does it not strike you that you are often a lone voice in the manner of your posts? (not denying your right to your opinion). Could it be that on the rare occasions (!) the counter opinions of others are more valid than your own?

I think you find it hard to comprehend that you could be wrong IMO. That infers a supreme level of arrogance and/or ignorance. 

But I am quite happy to be wrong. 

[Shabby Russian]

But not all innocents are equal eh?

That's a very interesting point you make.

I think the answer, sadly - is no.

When I see the faces of the little girls butchered at a pop concert in Manchester, or think of the young women being filmed as they were raped and murdered at a festival on October 7th, the 10 year old girl dead on the beach yesterday or indeed the thousands of people like me peacefully at work in a couple of office towers - I think perhaps yes there are gradations of innocence.

What do you think? If you think at all that is.

Your whole persona on this part of the board seems to be ad hominen attacks on me (and others) and misrepresentations of what I've posted. I've lost count of the number of times you've claimed that I'm a Reform supporter when nothing could be further from the truth. Thankfully I'm able to chuckle and ignore the majority of the garbage you post. 

I took a break from here for a while after the last terrorist outrage when a friend of mine lost a good mate. It didn't take long for this place to descend to the cesspit then. It's in the sewer again now.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say Proth.

Are you suggesting that there are no innocents in Gaza? That the deaths of Gazans can't be tragic. The implication of what you wrote seems to imply that the lives of Gazans are less important than those who live in what some call the first world. i would like to think that's not what you believe.

[Squid]

But not all innocents are equal eh?

That's a very interesting point you make.

I think the answer, sadly - is no.

When I see the faces of the little girls butchered at a pop concert in Manchester, or think of the young women being filmed as they were raped and murdered at a festival on October 7th, the 10 year old girl dead on the beach yesterday or indeed the thousands of people like me peacefully at work in a couple of office towers - I think perhaps yes there are gradations of innocence.

What do you think? If you think at all that is.

Your whole persona on this part of the board seems to be ad hominen attacks on me (and others) and misrepresentations of what I've posted. I've lost count of the number of times you've claimed that I'm a Reform supporter when nothing could be further from the truth. Thankfully I'm able to chuckle and ignore the majority of the garbage you post. 

I took a break from here for a while after the last terrorist outrage when a friend of mine lost a good mate. It didn't take long for this place to descend to the cesspit then. It's in the sewer again now.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say Proth.

Are you suggesting that there are no innocents in Gaza? That the deaths of Gazans can't be tragic. The implication of what you wrote seems to imply that the lives of Gazans are less important than those who live in what some call the first world. i would like to think that's not what you believe.

It clearly is what Proth believes. To write a list like that, while knowing, knowing, that tens of thousands of children have been killed in Gaza and not mention them once, makes it clear that Proth does indeed think that there are "graduations of innocence" and children in Gaza don't count.

[Protheroe]

But not all innocents are equal eh?

That's a very interesting point you make.

I think the answer, sadly - is no.

When I see the faces of the little girls butchered at a pop concert in Manchester, or think of the young women being filmed as they were raped and murdered at a festival on October 7th, the 10 year old girl dead on the beach yesterday or indeed the thousands of people like me peacefully at work in a couple of office towers - I think perhaps yes there are gradations of innocence.

What do you think? If you think at all that is.

Your whole persona on this part of the board seems to be ad hominen attacks on me (and others) and misrepresentations of what I've posted. I've lost count of the number of times you've claimed that I'm a Reform supporter when nothing could be further from the truth. Thankfully I'm able to chuckle and ignore the majority of the garbage you post. 

I took a break from here for a while after the last terrorist outrage when a friend of mine lost a good mate. It didn't take long for this place to descend to the cesspit then. It's in the sewer again now.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say Proth.

Are you suggesting that there are no innocents in Gaza? That the deaths of Gazans can't be tragic. The implication of what you wrote seems to imply that the lives of Gazans are less important than those who live in what some call the first world. i would like to think that's not what you believe.

There are countless tragic deaths of Gazans. Their deaths are no less important. 

But there are gradations of innocence, because bringing your conflict to the streets, arenas, offices and beaches of remote countries is the height of cowardice.

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It clearly is what Proth believes. To write a list like that, while knowing, knowing, that tens of thousands of children have been killed in Gaza and not mention them once, makes it clear that Proth does indeed think that there are "graduations of innocence" and children in Gaza don't count.

Neither of which I've ever posted nor implied.

[Squid]

But not all innocents are equal eh?

That's a very interesting point you make.

I think the answer, sadly - is no.

When I see the faces of the little girls butchered at a pop concert in Manchester, or think of the young women being filmed as they were raped and murdered at a festival on October 7th, the 10 year old girl dead on the beach yesterday or indeed the thousands of people like me peacefully at work in a couple of office towers - I think perhaps yes there are gradations of innocence.

What do you think? If you think at all that is.

Your whole persona on this part of the board seems to be ad hominen attacks on me (and others) and misrepresentations of what I've posted. I've lost count of the number of times you've claimed that I'm a Reform supporter when nothing could be further from the truth. Thankfully I'm able to chuckle and ignore the majority of the garbage you post. 

I took a break from here for a while after the last terrorist outrage when a friend of mine lost a good mate. It didn't take long for this place to descend to the cesspit then. It's in the sewer again now.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say Proth.

Are you suggesting that there are no innocents in Gaza? That the deaths of Gazans can't be tragic. The implication of what you wrote seems to imply that the lives of Gazans are less important than those who live in what some call the first world. i would like to think that's not what you believe.

There are countless tragic deaths of Gazans. Their deaths are no less important. 

But there are gradations of innocence, because bringing your conflict to the streets, arenas, offices and beaches of remote countries is the height of cowardice.

---

It clearly is what Proth believes. To write a list like that, while knowing, knowing, that tens of thousands of children have been killed in Gaza and not mention them once, makes it clear that Proth does indeed think that there are "graduations of innocence" and children in Gaza don't count.

Neither of which I've ever posted nor implied.

Why didn't you include a single Palestinian child on your list then?

[CarlosCorbewrong]

Please remain respectful. There is a line.

[Protheroe]

Why didn't you include a single Palestinian child on your list then?

Because there are gradations of innocence. As far as I am aware the Manchester Arena, Lower Manhattan, Bondi Beach, Russell Square and the Nova Music Festival were not active war zones when they were attacked.

Are you implying that they were / are legitimate targets? Of course you're not.

But after October 7th, what would you have had Israel do? Nothing?

[Derek Hardballs]

Why didn't you include a single Palestinian child on your list then?

Because there are gradations of innocence. As far as I am aware the Manchester Arena, Lower Manhattan, Bondi Beach, Russell Square and the Nova Music Festival were not active war zones when they were attacked.

Are you implying that they were / are legitimate targets? Of course you're not.

But after October 7th, what would you have had Israel do? Nothing?

So because someone declares a place a war zone, children become acceptable and unequal victims of  violence? Crikey.., and I’m told to respect your opinions.