Trump

[Tom Joad]

Just watched the Panorama Trump second chance... That 2025 plan is insane. Odd that on November 5th he could destroy American democracy, strange symmetry there...

The show also does a good job of explaining why people 'are so stupid'.

If you look into project 2025, it's pretty frightening if you are an American. You need to look at Agenda 47 too. In short it wants to forceable remove all foreign nationals from United States. And remove anyone adverse to the presidential mandate. Mental is not the word.

I hope America vote in Harris. But unfortunately they are so backward they will vote in Trump.

If YoU LoOk InTo PrOjEcT 2025..

Yeah if you did you would find Trump himself said parts of it were 'ridiculous and abysmal'. He disavowed it publicly. It is nothing to do with him, just like the Russian dossier. You are brainwashed. Being played like a fiddle.

I cannot wait for next week, the tears are going to be amazing.

Well if he said that it must be true, the man wouldn't tell a lie.

[Shabby Russian]

Just watched the Panorama Trump second chance... That 2025 plan is insane. Odd that on November 5th he could destroy American democracy, strange symmetry there...

The show also does a good job of explaining why people 'are so stupid'.

If you look into project 2025, it's pretty frightening if you are an American. You need to look at Agenda 47 too. In short it wants to forceable remove all foreign nationals from United States. And remove anyone adverse to the presidential mandate. Mental is not the word.

I hope America vote in Harris. But unfortunately they are so backward they will vote in Trump.

If YoU LoOk InTo PrOjEcT 2025..

Yeah if you did you would find Trump himself said parts of it were 'ridiculous and abysmal'. He disavowed it publicly. It is nothing to do with him, just like the Russian dossier. You are brainwashed. Being played like a fiddle.

I cannot wait for next week, the tears are going to be amazing.

There certainly will be tears if Trump wins.

Tears of joy in Beijing and Moscow.

[WorcsWBA]

Anyway, given Biden just had his Hillary moment and with the direction of travel I don't think a few thousand votes is going to make any difference to the outcome next Tuesday.

So whether Biden meant "supporter's" or "supporters" is supposedly a huge deal, but the foul verbal stench from convicted felon Trump's rally the other day is inconsequential? Instead of providing the apology which Puerto Rican leaders had demanded, Trump claimed it was no big deal yesterday - we'll see what effect that has.

Your perceived direction of travel doesn't appear to be translating into attendees at Trump's rallies, where there are often lots of empty seats. Trump looks so tired and old now that a vote for him is effectively one for JD Vance anyway. Putting the deranged RFK Jr in charge of health to do "whatever he wants" might get some attention from voters too.

Rally attendance? 

How about polling, betting markets, early voting numbers etc.

I genuinely worry for some folks mental health if Trump wins this election.

Betting markets?  

Going back to Biden's ambiguous comment, which wasn't part of a speech, compare it to Trump who:

- called the whole of America a "garbage can"
- described all Democrat voters as the "enemy within" and vowed to start locking then up once he's elected
- previously referred to Never Trump republicans as "human scum"
- said that all immigrants (legal or illegal) "poison the blood of America"

and so on - it would be easy to make a list as long as your arm. Yet undecided voters are going to have apoplexy over what Biden said, who's not even a candidate anymore?

As for how I'll feel if Trump wins, it would be the biggest political disaster in modern history if he wins. He'll surround himself with MAGA lunatics, with no-one sane to control him. He'll also implement everything he can to make himself a dictator and create a MAGA line of succession. He'll also appoint more MAGA judges to the Supreme Court, scrweing it for a generation. Ukraine will fall to the Russians, unbalancing the whole of Europe, and the climate emergency won't be addressed (see here for how grim it is already).

Whoever is US President has consequences for the entire world, so it's not a funny game to be looked on from afar believing that it will only affect Americans.

[DemonicBaggie]

Anyway, given Biden just had his Hillary moment and with the direction of travel I don't think a few thousand votes is going to make any difference to the outcome next Tuesday.

So whether Biden meant "supporter's" or "supporters" is supposedly a huge deal, but the foul verbal stench from convicted felon Trump's rally the other day is inconsequential? Instead of providing the apology which Puerto Rican leaders had demanded, Trump claimed it was no big deal yesterday - we'll see what effect that has.

Your perceived direction of travel doesn't appear to be translating into attendees at Trump's rallies, where there are often lots of empty seats. Trump looks so tired and old now that a vote for him is effectively one for JD Vance anyway. Putting the deranged RFK Jr in charge of health to do "whatever he wants" might get some attention from voters too.

Rally attendance? 

How about polling, betting markets, early voting numbers etc.

I genuinely worry for some folks mental health if Trump wins this election.

Betting markets?  

Going back to Biden's ambiguous comment, which wasn't part of a speech, compare it to Trump who:

- called the whole of America a "garbage can"
- described all Democrat voters as the "enemy within" and vowed to start locking then up once he's elected
- previously referred to Never Trump republicans as "human scum"
- said that all immigrants (legal or illegal) "poison the blood of America"

and so on - it would be easy to make a list as long as your arm. Yet undecided voters are going to have apoplexy over what Biden said, who's not even a candidate anymore?

As for how I'll feel if Trump wins, it would be the biggest political disaster in modern history if he wins. He'll surround himself with MAGA lunatics, with no-one sane to control him. He'll also implement everything he can to make himself a dictator and create a MAGA line of succession. He'll also appoint more MAGA judges to the Supreme Court, scrweing it for a generation. Ukraine will fall to the Russians, unbalancing the whole of Europe, and the climate emergency won't be addressed (see here for how grim it is already).

Whoever is US President has consequences for the entire world, so it's not a funny game to be looked on from afar believing that it will only affect Americans.

Spot on. But don't spend too much time presenting the facts to trump acolytes. Their cynicism isn't worth the effort.

[Jacko]

Anyway, given Biden just had his Hillary moment and with the direction of travel I don't think a few thousand votes is going to make any difference to the outcome next Tuesday.

So whether Biden meant "supporter's" or "supporters" is supposedly a huge deal, but the foul verbal stench from convicted felon Trump's rally the other day is inconsequential? Instead of providing the apology which Puerto Rican leaders had demanded, Trump claimed it was no big deal yesterday - we'll see what effect that has.

Your perceived direction of travel doesn't appear to be translating into attendees at Trump's rallies, where there are often lots of empty seats. Trump looks so tired and old now that a vote for him is effectively one for JD Vance anyway. Putting the deranged RFK Jr in charge of health to do "whatever he wants" might get some attention from voters too.

Rally attendance? 

How about polling, betting markets, early voting numbers etc.

I genuinely worry for some folks mental health if Trump wins this election.

Betting markets?  

Going back to Biden's ambiguous comment, which wasn't part of a speech, compare it to Trump who:

- called the whole of America a "garbage can"
- described all Democrat voters as the "enemy within" and vowed to start locking then up once he's elected
- previously referred to Never Trump republicans as "human scum"
- said that all immigrants (legal or illegal) "poison the blood of America"

and so on - it would be easy to make a list as long as your arm. Yet undecided voters are going to have apoplexy over what Biden said, who's not even a candidate anymore?

As for how I'll feel if Trump wins, it would be the biggest political disaster in modern history if he wins. He'll surround himself with MAGA lunatics, with no-one sane to control him. He'll also implement everything he can to make himself a dictator and create a MAGA line of succession. He'll also appoint more MAGA judges to the Supreme Court, scrweing it for a generation. Ukraine will fall to the Russians, unbalancing the whole of Europe, and the climate emergency won't be addressed (see here for how grim it is already).

Whoever is US President has consequences for the entire world, so it's not a funny game to be looked on from afar believing that it will only affect Americans.

Spot on. But don't spend too much time presenting the facts to trump acolytes. Their cynicism isn't worth the effort.

There's only one Trump acolyte on here as far as I can see? Zac is doing a belting job.

There is however, some tremendous TDS. If he gets it it won't be the end of the world any more than if she gets in. That said, I will be staggered if Trump doesn't win the election from this position, doesn't mean I want him to and will happily come on here and apologise for worrying everyone if my instinct is proved wrong.

[DemonicBaggie]

No need to apologise for your political views or forecasts. The thing is, unless you believe in the warped representation of reality and the relentless victimhood promoted by trump and his backers then TDS isn't a thing. Really, it isn't. Just like people weren't really eating cats and dogs, you know.

[PatelsPlatoon]

The Panorama special said it as it is. It is clear he is behind this project 2025 to get as much power as he can and be a dictator.

Anyone who can't see that Trump a man born a millionaire who has had affairs galore and is as corrupt as they come is only interested in his power and ego must be a special kind of stupid. He's got no loyalty to his wives let alone uneducated trailer trash in the deep south or the welder from Minnesota, who lost his job at the factory.

Sadly he has become some God like character to the disaffected who turn out en masse for him, believing his oratory of hatred and fear.

China and Russia must be rubbing their hands as they've severely weakened the world's one superpower, whether he wins or loses.

If he loses there will be civil war. If he wins he will destroy the country and the western world with his isolationist world view, pandering to Christian zealots, and his irrationality.

[HugeHons]

It’s quite absurd and ridiculous to think the most powerful person on earth could soon be that Orange, sociopathic cretin again. Do the people who vote for him actually listen to him?

[Baggiejacko]

The Democrats have done more towards a successful campaign for him than he has. People that are pissed off with the last 4 years will take a gamble rather than go through more of the same.

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If Labour and the Tories don't up their game well have similar here in 4 years or so with Farage.

[Kit Kat Chunky]

The Democrats have done more towards a successful campaign for him than he has. People that are pissed off with the last 4 years will take a gamble rather than go through more of the same.

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If Labour and the Tories don't up their game well have similar here in 4 years or so with Farage.

That's what worries me.