Trump

[WorcsWBA]

No doubt this will give a massive boost to his polling, alongside Biden's complete senility I really fear for Ukraine. USA is heading for a civil war.

Trump wins = absolute chaos
Trump loses = absolute chaos

Biden is very far from being completely senile and believing that he is buys into the obsessive media and right-wing mantra that's currently being shouted from the rooftops.

I also think it would be a grave mistake to regard Biden and Trump victories in the election as analogous. Terrible things will happen if Trump wins which absolutely won't happen if Biden wins and I think people shouldn't lose sight of this.

No analogy being drawn between Trump / Biden election wins. The point being that if Trump loses in November he and his supporters will in no way accept the result (he has form for this!) and I would foresee widespread public disorder that would make the events of Jan 6 pale into insignificance - hence chaos. Furthermore Trump can't accept defeat for purely legal reasons as his run at the presidency is basically an attempt to avoid facing up to possible convictions and jail time.

Thanks for clarifying, I was misunderstanding what you meant. I agree that Trump wouldn't accept losing in 2024 and still hasn't for 2020, despite the 60+ law cases claiming voter fraud brought by MAGA lawyers only achieving 1 very minor success. I also agree that it's high likely that he's only running to try to avoid further prosecutions and has no real interest in running the country.

Of course, he didn't have much interest in running the country first time around, spending 1 in 5 of his work days playing golf, which apparently cost the American taxpayers more than $140m! His enduring popularity is completely mystifying in so many ways...

I saw that the widow of the bloke who was sadly killed in the shooting received a call from Biden but declined to take it because her husband was such a staunch Republican (MAGA in other words). Trump on the other hand hasn't bothered to get in touch...

[DemonicBaggie]

No doubt this will give a massive boost to his polling, alongside Biden's complete senility I really fear for Ukraine. USA is heading for a civil war.

Trump wins = absolute chaos
Trump loses = absolute chaos

Biden is very far from being completely senile and believing that he is buys into the obsessive media and right-wing mantra that's currently being shouted from the rooftops.

I also think it would be a grave mistake to regard Biden and Trump victories in the election as analogous. Terrible things will happen if Trump wins which absolutely won't happen if Biden wins and I think people shouldn't lose sight of this.

No analogy being drawn between Trump / Biden election wins. The point being that if Trump loses in November he and his supporters will in no way accept the result (he has form for this!) and I would foresee widespread public disorder that would make the events of Jan 6 pale into insignificance - hence chaos. Furthermore Trump can't accept defeat for purely legal reasons as his run at the presidency is basically an attempt to avoid facing up to possible convictions and jail time.

Thanks for clarifying, I was misunderstanding what you meant. I agree that Trump wouldn't accept losing in 2024 and still hasn't for 2020, despite the 60+ law cases claiming voter fraud brought by MAGA lawyers only achieving 1 very minor success. I also agree that it's high likely that he's only running to try to avoid further prosecutions and has no real interest in running the country.

Of course, he didn't have much interest in running the country first time around, spending 1 in 5 of his work days playing golf, which apparently cost the American taxpayers more than $140m! His enduring popularity is completely mystifying in so many ways...

I saw that the widow of the bloke who was sadly killed in the shooting received a call from Biden but declined to take it because her husband was such a staunch Republican (MAGA in other words). Trump on the other hand hasn't bothered to get in touch...

I've read that, too, Worcs. I think the political scene in the US has now gone way past any kind of normality. Like anything associated with Trump it has descended into a surreal circus of divisiveness and chaos, with the narrative being constantly manipulated by the Murdoch media machine in his favour. Trump has thrived in this environment where there's no longer any verifiable truths, just events that are bent whichever way to further his cause. As well you know it's an object lesson in how fascism gains traction.

[WorcsWBA]

Trump wins = absolute chaos
Trump loses = absolute chaos

Biden is very far from being completely senile and believing that he is buys into the obsessive media and right-wing mantra that's currently being shouted from the rooftops.

I also think it would be a grave mistake to regard Biden and Trump victories in the election as analogous. Terrible things will happen if Trump wins which absolutely won't happen if Biden wins and I think people shouldn't lose sight of this.

No analogy being drawn between Trump / Biden election wins. The point being that if Trump loses in November he and his supporters will in no way accept the result (he has form for this!) and I would foresee widespread public disorder that would make the events of Jan 6 pale into insignificance - hence chaos. Furthermore Trump can't accept defeat for purely legal reasons as his run at the presidency is basically an attempt to avoid facing up to possible convictions and jail time.

Thanks for clarifying, I was misunderstanding what you meant. I agree that Trump wouldn't accept losing in 2024 and still hasn't for 2020, despite the 60+ law cases claiming voter fraud brought by MAGA lawyers only achieving 1 very minor success. I also agree that it's high likely that he's only running to try to avoid further prosecutions and has no real interest in running the country.

Of course, he didn't have much interest in running the country first time around, spending 1 in 5 of his work days playing golf, which apparently cost the American taxpayers more than $140m! His enduring popularity is completely mystifying in so many ways...

I saw that the widow of the bloke who was sadly killed in the shooting received a call from Biden but declined to take it because her husband was such a staunch Republican (MAGA in other words). Trump on the other hand hasn't bothered to get in touch...

I've read that, too, Worcs. I think the political scene in the US has now gone way past any kind of normality. Like anything associated with Trump it has descended into a surreal circus of divisiveness and chaos, with the narrative being constantly manipulated by the Murdoch media machine in his favour. Trump has thrived in this environment where there's no longer any verifiable truths, just events that are bent whichever way to further his cause. As well you know it's an object lesson in how fascism gains traction.

And now that they're making him to a martyr and/or some kind of super-hero following the shooting, both MAGA and the media will be leaping on any criticism of him as being distasteful or encouraging violence against him. I'm genuinely worried sick about everyone and everything should he become President again.

[backsidebaggie]

Biden is very far from being completely senile and believing that he is buys into the obsessive media and right-wing mantra that's currently being shouted from the rooftops.

I also think it would be a grave mistake to regard Biden and Trump victories in the election as analogous. Terrible things will happen if Trump wins which absolutely won't happen if Biden wins and I think people shouldn't lose sight of this.

No analogy being drawn between Trump / Biden election wins. The point being that if Trump loses in November he and his supporters will in no way accept the result (he has form for this!) and I would foresee widespread public disorder that would make the events of Jan 6 pale into insignificance - hence chaos. Furthermore Trump can't accept defeat for purely legal reasons as his run at the presidency is basically an attempt to avoid facing up to possible convictions and jail time.

Thanks for clarifying, I was misunderstanding what you meant. I agree that Trump wouldn't accept losing in 2024 and still hasn't for 2020, despite the 60+ law cases claiming voter fraud brought by MAGA lawyers only achieving 1 very minor success. I also agree that it's high likely that he's only running to try to avoid further prosecutions and has no real interest in running the country.

Of course, he didn't have much interest in running the country first time around, spending 1 in 5 of his work days playing golf, which apparently cost the American taxpayers more than $140m! His enduring popularity is completely mystifying in so many ways...

I saw that the widow of the bloke who was sadly killed in the shooting received a call from Biden but declined to take it because her husband was such a staunch Republican (MAGA in other words). Trump on the other hand hasn't bothered to get in touch...

I've read that, too, Worcs. I think the political scene in the US has now gone way past any kind of normality. Like anything associated with Trump it has descended into a surreal circus of divisiveness and chaos, with the narrative being constantly manipulated by the Murdoch media machine in his favour. Trump has thrived in this environment where there's no longer any verifiable truths, just events that are bent whichever way to further his cause. As well you know it's an object lesson in how fascism gains traction.

And now that they're making him to a martyr and/or some kind of super-hero following the shooting, both MAGA and the media will be leaping on any criticism of him as being distasteful or encouraging violence against him. I'm genuinely worried sick about everyone and everything should he become President again.

Worried sick about everyone and everything? Mate you need help. Bloke is a dick but this thread is hilariously OTT.

How did we all survive his last presidency? The same as we will his next.

[MrBater]

His last presidency didn't involve a major Russian conflict... That's my concern this time around, and if that goes badly for the West then I fear what comes after...

[Borin' Baggie]

He tried to blackmail Ukraine and his disciples have held up military aid preventing counterattack opportunities, he stole classified defence intel and had probably sold it off, he tried to overturn democratic results and then when that failed he helped instigate an armed insurgency at the end of his presidency, he wants to leave NATO, he started stupid trade wars with US allies (read, us) making everything more expensive for no reason, he's helped turn back women's rights progress in the US by 50 years, he held up US progress on climate change despite the US being the second worst offender on emissions behind Australia and his running mate wants to rig the political system in the Republicans favour forever.

[BradleyFromTheHalfWayLine]

His last presidency didn't involve a major Russian conflict... That's my concern this time around, and if that goes badly for the West then I fear what comes after...

Do you wonder if you've got your reasoning a bit muddled over this?

[MrBater]

Surely China is way out in front for emission offences?? (That's excluding a camper van of blokes going across Europe!)

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His last presidency didn't involve a major Russian conflict... That's my concern this time around, and if that goes badly for the West then I fear what comes after...

Do you wonder if you've got your reasoning a bit muddled over this?

Can you elaborate? Trump wasn't pres when Ukraine got invaded, was he? Trump is outspoken on not supporting them...

[DemonicBaggie]

No analogy being drawn between Trump / Biden election wins. The point being that if Trump loses in November he and his supporters will in no way accept the result (he has form for this!) and I would foresee widespread public disorder that would make the events of Jan 6 pale into insignificance - hence chaos. Furthermore Trump can't accept defeat for purely legal reasons as his run at the presidency is basically an attempt to avoid facing up to possible convictions and jail time.

Thanks for clarifying, I was misunderstanding what you meant. I agree that Trump wouldn't accept losing in 2024 and still hasn't for 2020, despite the 60+ law cases claiming voter fraud brought by MAGA lawyers only achieving 1 very minor success. I also agree that it's high likely that he's only running to try to avoid further prosecutions and has no real interest in running the country.

Of course, he didn't have much interest in running the country first time around, spending 1 in 5 of his work days playing golf, which apparently cost the American taxpayers more than $140m! His enduring popularity is completely mystifying in so many ways...

I saw that the widow of the bloke who was sadly killed in the shooting received a call from Biden but declined to take it because her husband was such a staunch Republican (MAGA in other words). Trump on the other hand hasn't bothered to get in touch...

I've read that, too, Worcs. I think the political scene in the US has now gone way past any kind of normality. Like anything associated with Trump it has descended into a surreal circus of divisiveness and chaos, with the narrative being constantly manipulated by the Murdoch media machine in his favour. Trump has thrived in this environment where there's no longer any verifiable truths, just events that are bent whichever way to further his cause. As well you know it's an object lesson in how fascism gains traction.

And now that they're making him to a martyr and/or some kind of super-hero following the shooting, both MAGA and the media will be leaping on any criticism of him as being distasteful or encouraging violence against him. I'm genuinely worried sick about everyone and everything should he become President again.

Worried sick about everyone and everything? Mate you need help. Bloke is a dick but this thread is hilariously OTT.

How did we all survive his last presidency? The same as we will his next.

None of his original White House team from 2016 are still in place, all being replaced by MAGA types who daren't challenge their leader. The previous incumbents provided the checks and balances against his lunacy. 40 of those 44 refuse to endorse his standing for re-election, including his former VP Mike Pence. All this being unprecedented in US election history and an indicator of the threat they believe he poses to national and international security. The next 4 years under Trump would be very unlike 2016-2020.

[BradleyFromTheHalfWayLine]

He tried to blackmail Ukraine and his disciples have held up military aid preventing counterattack opportunities, he stole classified defence intel and had probably sold it off, he tried to overturn democratic results and then when that failed he helped instigate an armed insurgency at the end of his presidency, he wants to leave NATO, he started stupid trade wars with US allies (read, us) making everything more expensive for no reason, he's helped turn back women's rights progress in the US by 50 years, he held up US progress on climate change despite the US being the second worst offender on emissions behind Australia and his running mate wants to rig the political system in the Republicans favour forever.

He instigated an 'armed insurgency'? What shit are you smoking and can I get some?