Takeover

[Remi_Moses]

Welcome to stagnation or relegation if that salary cap is confirmed.

The Championship is going to have to become sustainable.  It’s impossible for every club to be losing £20m+ a year.  It will become the new norm.

That is akin to asking clubs to impose a salary cap on themselves… the gap between the Prem and Championship will be become impossible to bridge under those constraints. At best you will have six or so clubs yo-yoing due to parachute payments whilst the other clubs watch on in frustration. At some point there will be a legal challenge to the FFP rules as they are anti-competitive. I appreciate why they were created but at the same time they are going to create an unbridgeable divide between the leagues that will see a Prem 2 become more and more of a possibility. I dread to think where that would leave us if we weren’t part of it.

You are right that it will probably lead to a Prem 2, but I cannot see any reason why we wouldn’t be a part of it. 

Solving the effect of parachute payments is definitely a conundrum.  They are essential, but the knock-on consequences are an issue.  A reduced PL1 of 18 teams (which will assist re expanded European competitions) and a PL2 of 20 teams (not 24), plus extra funding for PL2 would all help, but the bigger, richer clubs in PL1 will still dominate, as will those PL2 clubs with parachute funding.  One suggestion has been to introduce more strings to be attached to what parachute funding must be used for,  and still impose a salary cap on them (albeit a higher one as they come down with a higher wage bill), but one of the strings could well be compulsory relegation wage cuts.  Only downside of that is that it will make harder in PL1 for lower-half clubs to sign players faced with such potential wage cuts, but they’d all be in the same boat, but it would certainly reduce the advantage of parachute payments to relegated clubs.

Let's play devils advocate here.
A team get relegated and they have a Vardy and a Winks who are earning £250k a week between them. That's the same as a squad of 25 on £10k/wk
Nobody can compete now, so how would they be able to then. Who comes up with these stupid ideas without thinking about the details.
Great idea in a fantasy world

[Pragmatist]

Welcome to stagnation or relegation if that salary cap is confirmed.

The Championship is going to have to become sustainable.  It’s impossible for every club to be losing £20m+ a year.  It will become the new norm.

That is akin to asking clubs to impose a salary cap on themselves… the gap between the Prem and Championship will be become impossible to bridge under those constraints. At best you will have six or so clubs yo-yoing due to parachute payments whilst the other clubs watch on in frustration. At some point there will be a legal challenge to the FFP rules as they are anti-competitive. I appreciate why they were created but at the same time they are going to create an unbridgeable divide between the leagues that will see a Prem 2 become more and more of a possibility. I dread to think where that would leave us if we weren’t part of it.

You are right that it will probably lead to a Prem 2, but I cannot see any reason why we wouldn’t be a part of it. 

Solving the effect of parachute payments is definitely a conundrum.  They are essential, but the knock-on consequences are an issue.  A reduced PL1 of 18 teams (which will assist re expanded European competitions) and a PL2 of 20 teams (not 24), plus extra funding for PL2 would all help, but the bigger, richer clubs in PL1 will still dominate, as will those PL2 clubs with parachute funding.  One suggestion has been to introduce more strings to be attached to what parachute funding must be used for,  and still impose a salary cap on them (albeit a higher one as they come down with a higher wage bill), but one of the strings could well be compulsory relegation wage cuts.  Only downside of that is that it will make harder in PL1 for lower-half clubs to sign players faced with such potential wage cuts, but they’d all be in the same boat, but it would certainly reduce the advantage of parachute payments to relegated clubs.

Let's play devils advocate here.
A team get relegated and they have a Vardy and a Winks who are earning £250k a week between them. That's the same as a squad of 25 on £10k/wk
Nobody can compete now, so how would they be able to then. Who comes up with these stupid ideas without thinking about the details.
Great idea in a fantasy world

But they wouldn’t be able to be on £250k/week between them - their contracts would contain compulsory relegation wage cut clauses, and/or release clauses.  A team would have a total salary club.  Big earners would have to be offset by below-average earners.  It has to come - there aren’t enough owners capable of chipping in £20m/year to cover losses.  The status quo is simply not sustainable.

[Kit Kat Chunky]

Welcome to stagnation or relegation if that salary cap is confirmed.

The Championship is going to have to become sustainable.  It’s impossible for every club to be losing £20m+ a year.  It will become the new norm.

That is akin to asking clubs to impose a salary cap on themselves… the gap between the Prem and Championship will be become impossible to bridge under those constraints. At best you will have six or so clubs yo-yoing due to parachute payments whilst the other clubs watch on in frustration. At some point there will be a legal challenge to the FFP rules as they are anti-competitive. I appreciate why they were created but at the same time they are going to create an unbridgeable divide between the leagues that will see a Prem 2 become more and more of a possibility. I dread to think where that would leave us if we weren’t part of it.

You are right that it will probably lead to a Prem 2, but I cannot see any reason why we wouldn’t be a part of it. 

Solving the effect of parachute payments is definitely a conundrum.  They are essential, but the knock-on consequences are an issue.  A reduced PL1 of 18 teams (which will assist re expanded European competitions) and a PL2 of 20 teams (not 24), plus extra funding for PL2 would all help, but the bigger, richer clubs in PL1 will still dominate, as will those PL2 clubs with parachute funding.  One suggestion has been to introduce more strings to be attached to what parachute funding must be used for,  and still impose a salary cap on them (albeit a higher one as they come down with a higher wage bill), but one of the strings could well be compulsory relegation wage cuts.  Only downside of that is that it will make harder in PL1 for lower-half clubs to sign players faced with such potential wage cuts, but they’d all be in the same boat, but it would certainly reduce the advantage of parachute payments to relegated clubs.

Let's play devils advocate here.
A team get relegated and they have a Vardy and a Winks who are earning £250k a week between them. That's the same as a squad of 25 on £10k/wk
Nobody can compete now, so how would they be able to then. Who comes up with these stupid ideas without thinking about the details.
Great idea in a fantasy world

At least these rules let clubs with average budgets (which is us now) compete with those spunking beyond their means.

[Tom Joad]

The current system is already hugely fucked up and not competitive enough, I will wait and see before attacking any idea to change it.

[CaptainFantastico]

If the rules come into effect I think the timing will actually be an advantage to Albion. Assuming Patel is the owner and Corberan the gaffer

[Ministry Of Silly Signings]

Maybe we will see a big increase in `Free Agents`. I remember a debate on 5 Live on deadline day a few years back, pundits saying , basically, lets feel sorry for Prem players who find themselves without a club. One, I can`t remember who, said he had not been offered a new deal by Southampton or whoever, and now found himself unemployed. This player said he`d had offers from Barnsley, Charlton, Blackburn etc, but, `wages were an issue`. Maybe he should accept that , as a 32 year old ex Prem player, he can no longer expect £ 70 / 80,000 a week, & £ 7 / 8,000 at one of those clubs is better than dole money.

[Kit Kat Chunky]

Maybe we will see a big increase in `Free Agents`. I remember a debate on 5 Live on deadline day a few years back, pundits saying , basically, lets feel sorry for Prem players who find themselves without a club.  One, I can`t remember who, said he had not been offered a new deal by Southampton or whoever, and now found himself unemployed. This player said he`d had offers from Barnsley, Charlton, Blackburn etc, but, `wages were an issue`. Maybe he should accept that , as a 32 year old ex Prem player, he can no longer expect £ 70 / 80,000 a week, & £ 7 / 8,000 at one of those clubs is better than dole money.

Exactly this. £400K a year would be nice.

[TETLEY74]

Welcome to stagnation or relegation if that salary cap is confirmed.

The Championship is going to have to become sustainable.  It’s impossible for every club to be losing £20m+ a year.  It will become the new norm.

That is akin to asking clubs to impose a salary cap on themselves… the gap between the Prem and Championship will be become impossible to bridge under those constraints. At best you will have six or so clubs yo-yoing due to parachute payments whilst the other clubs watch on in frustration. At some point there will be a legal challenge to the FFP rules as they are anti-competitive. I appreciate why they were created but at the same time they are going to create an unbridgeable divide between the leagues that will see a Prem 2 become more and more of a possibility. I dread to think where that would leave us if we weren’t part of it.

You are right that it will probably lead to a Prem 2, but I cannot see any reason why we wouldn’t be a part of it. 

Solving the effect of parachute payments is definitely a conundrum.  They are essential, but the knock-on consequences are an issue.  A reduced PL1 of 18 teams (which will assist re expanded European competitions) and a PL2 of 20 teams (not 24), plus extra funding for PL2 would all help, but the bigger, richer clubs in PL1 will still dominate, as will those PL2 clubs with parachute funding.  One suggestion has been to introduce more strings to be attached to what parachute funding must be used for,  and still impose a salary cap on them (albeit a higher one as they come down with a higher wage bill), but one of the strings could well be compulsory relegation wage cuts.  Only downside of that is that it will make harder in PL1 for lower-half clubs to sign players faced with such potential wage cuts, but they’d all be in the same boat, but it would certainly reduce the advantage of parachute payments to relegated clubs.

Let's play devils advocate here.
A team get relegated and they have a Vardy and a Winks who are earning £250k a week between them. That's the same as a squad of 25 on £10k/wk
Nobody can compete now, so how would they be able to then. Who comes up with these stupid ideas without thinking about the details.
Great idea in a fantasy world

Lets be honest this is all about making sure the big clubs dominance is never ever challenged again the way leicester won the prem, since then the prem ,fa etc have done all they can to make sure it dosent happen again, var,ffp wage caps etc football and the powers that be are corrupt to the core and dont even try to disguise it anymore.

[Stillclem4england]

I have said for a while that we shouldn’t be paying £20k a week plus to players at this level, we need academy graduates to supplement the first 15 and that no non-starters should be on over £10k a week.

However, £10k is a bit miserly. You’ll end up with a load of cloggers and no stardust if you are that inflexible with your wage structure. MLS has limits but some flexibility. If we set a budget there should be some flexibility within it for the right players.

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Welcome to stagnation or relegation if that salary cap is confirmed.

The Championship is going to have to become sustainable.  It’s impossible for every club to be losing £20m+ a year.  It will become the new norm.

That is akin to asking clubs to impose a salary cap on themselves… the gap between the Prem and Championship will be become impossible to bridge under those constraints. At best you will have six or so clubs yo-yoing due to parachute payments whilst the other clubs watch on in frustration. At some point there will be a legal challenge to the FFP rules as they are anti-competitive. I appreciate why they were created but at the same time they are going to create an unbridgeable divide between the leagues that will see a Prem 2 become more and more of a possibility. I dread to think where that would leave us if we weren’t part of it.

You are right that it will probably lead to a Prem 2, but I cannot see any reason why we wouldn’t be a part of it. 

Solving the effect of parachute payments is definitely a conundrum.  They are essential, but the knock-on consequences are an issue.  A reduced PL1 of 18 teams (which will assist re expanded European competitions) and a PL2 of 20 teams (not 24), plus extra funding for PL2 would all help, but the bigger, richer clubs in PL1 will still dominate, as will those PL2 clubs with parachute funding.  One suggestion has been to introduce more strings to be attached to what parachute funding must be used for,  and still impose a salary cap on them (albeit a higher one as they come down with a higher wage bill), but one of the strings could well be compulsory relegation wage cuts.  Only downside of that is that it will make harder in PL1 for lower-half clubs to sign players faced with such potential wage cuts, but they’d all be in the same boat, but it would certainly reduce the advantage of parachute payments to relegated clubs.

Let's play devils advocate here.
A team get relegated and they have a Vardy and a Winks who are earning £250k a week between them. That's the same as a squad of 25 on £10k/wk
Nobody can compete now, so how would they be able to then. Who comes up with these stupid ideas without thinking about the details.
Great idea in a fantasy world

No idea what Winks is on but Vardy is on a legacy wage from the Prem. Whilst I do agree with you, I would prefer BTA on say £10k a week to Vardy and I think his stats back that up.

[Pragmatist]

I have said for a while that we shouldn’t be paying £20k a week plus to players at this level, we need academy graduates to supplement the first 15 and that no non-starters should be on over £10k a week.

However, £10k is a bit miserly. You’ll end up with a load of cloggers and no stardust if you are that inflexible with your wage structure. MLS has limits but some flexibility. If we set a budget there should be some flexibility within it for the right players.

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The Championship is going to have to become sustainable.  It’s impossible for every club to be losing £20m+ a year.  It will become the new norm.

That is akin to asking clubs to impose a salary cap on themselves… the gap between the Prem and Championship will be become impossible to bridge under those constraints. At best you will have six or so clubs yo-yoing due to parachute payments whilst the other clubs watch on in frustration. At some point there will be a legal challenge to the FFP rules as they are anti-competitive. I appreciate why they were created but at the same time they are going to create an unbridgeable divide between the leagues that will see a Prem 2 become more and more of a possibility. I dread to think where that would leave us if we weren’t part of it.

You are right that it will probably lead to a Prem 2, but I cannot see any reason why we wouldn’t be a part of it. 

Solving the effect of parachute payments is definitely a conundrum.  They are essential, but the knock-on consequences are an issue.  A reduced PL1 of 18 teams (which will assist re expanded European competitions) and a PL2 of 20 teams (not 24), plus extra funding for PL2 would all help, but the bigger, richer clubs in PL1 will still dominate, as will those PL2 clubs with parachute funding.  One suggestion has been to introduce more strings to be attached to what parachute funding must be used for,  and still impose a salary cap on them (albeit a higher one as they come down with a higher wage bill), but one of the strings could well be compulsory relegation wage cuts.  Only downside of that is that it will make harder in PL1 for lower-half clubs to sign players faced with such potential wage cuts, but they’d all be in the same boat, but it would certainly reduce the advantage of parachute payments to relegated clubs.

Let's play devils advocate here.
A team get relegated and they have a Vardy and a Winks who are earning £250k a week between them. That's the same as a squad of 25 on £10k/wk
Nobody can compete now, so how would they be able to then. Who comes up with these stupid ideas without thinking about the details.
Great idea in a fantasy world

No idea what Winks is on but Vardy is on a legacy wage from the Prem. Whilst I do agree with you, I would prefer BTA on say £10k a week to Vardy and I think his stats back that up.

It’s legacy wages which will change.  There will have to compulsory wage flexdowns in all contracts for relegation from the Premier league because it won’t be permissible to keep paying premier league wages in the Championship.  Either that or players will have to be given low relegation release clauses. 

Several clubs in the premier league don’t have relegation clauses. I think Leicester were one, Everton another.