It's The Ashes (again)

[rsbaggy2]

On that dismissal. 

I'm not a fan of it, but nor do I think it deserves the moral outrage it appears to have produced.

It seems Bairstow tried to do a similar thing earlier in the test...is it only against the spirit of the game if it is done successfully. 

If cricket fans want to complain about something, try the pitches. They are not doing enough for the bowlers. Both sides could and should have got over 500 in their first innings, not sure that makes for good test cricket.

The best 2 sessions I watched in this test..and sadly I didn't see any live yesterday...we're afternoon session on third day. The aussie batsmen tested by difficult conditions and good bowling. And the evening session on day 4. Initially great bowling by Starc and Cummins, and then great batting by Duckett and Stokes in difficult circumstances.

Bairstow's attempt wasn't the same as Carey's. The instance in question, Marnus was batting out of his crease to try and mitigate a moving ball, thus gaining advantage of it. Bairstow was attempting to run him out/stump him, but Marnus dragged his foot back in anyway. All aware, all normal cricket stuff. YJB even stood up to the stumps when Jimmy was bowling later to stop Marnus batting out of his crease.

In the case of the Bairstow wicket, he wasn't trying to gain an advantage. But it's still stupid, and it's excellent from Carey. Like I said, I don't particularly have any issue with it. You're correct, the moral outrage about the situation is absolutely ridiculous.

If the Aussies haven’t got the bottle to warn the batsman that that they will try to stump him it’s totally against the spirit of the game. If Carey was that concerned he should have sto up to the stumps to stop him, just like Bairstow did. 
Bairstow was not trying to take advantage of anything he was going to talk to his partner.
No matter what any of you think it’s totally against the spirit of the game, the Aussies only think this was ok because they did it. If the boot was on the other foot there would have been outrage.

So let me know if you are/were equally outraged by the Foakes/Balbirnie ''stumping''. I am sure you found that disgraceful too!

[Fido]

If we were 2-0 up in the series after Bairstow got Smith out in a similar way I'd be loving it. I genuinely can't get my head around why people are getting so upset about Australia playing to the rules and England ignoring the rules.

It's the equivalent of playing to the whistle in football.

Not really. It’s more like not giving the ball back to the opposition when they’ve booted it out due to an injury. He clearly scrapes his foot in the crease and makes his way up the wicket.

[Jerry]

If we were 2-0 up in the series after Bairstow got Smith out in a similar way I'd be loving it. I genuinely can't get my head around why people are getting so upset about Australia playing to the rules and England ignoring the rules.

It's the equivalent of playing to the whistle in football.

This is equivalent to Kanu when playing for Arsenal chasing a dropped ball pass back to the keeper and scoring. By the letter of the law it was a goal but the spirit was broken. Arsenal agreed to replay the game due to the outcry.

[Peachy]

My biggest gripe with this is Bairstow wasn't trying to gain any advantage in play. He scratched his foot to mark his crease and went to speak to Stokes at the end of the over. This wasn't some mankad situation. Yes he possibly did it too quickly but you see that thousands of times in county cricket with no one trying stumpings. 

In Careys defence he threw the ball a split second before Bairstow stepped away but really and truthfully Cummings should have withdrawn the appeal. By not doing so he's opened his team up for some flak.

Caught the end of a talksport interview with an aussie ex cricketer (I missed His name) and he said the older cricket fans in Aus felt it wasn't in the spirit of the game and has tainted the victory whereas the younger fans think it was the right thing to do.

It's going to add some serious spice to the next test and I can see Bairstow and Broad definitely trying to even up the score with something similar now.

[Ted Maul]

On that dismissal. 

I'm not a fan of it, but nor do I think it deserves the moral outrage it appears to have produced.

It seems Bairstow tried to do a similar thing earlier in the test...is it only against the spirit of the game if it is done successfully. 

If cricket fans want to complain about something, try the pitches. They are not doing enough for the bowlers. Both sides could and should have got over 500 in their first innings, not sure that makes for good test cricket.

The best 2 sessions I watched in this test..and sadly I didn't see any live yesterday...we're afternoon session on third day. The aussie batsmen tested by difficult conditions and good bowling. And the evening session on day 4. Initially great bowling by Starc and Cummins, and then great batting by Duckett and Stokes in difficult circumstances.

Bairstow's attempt wasn't the same as Carey's. The instance in question, Marnus was batting out of his crease to try and mitigate a moving ball, thus gaining advantage of it. Bairstow was attempting to run him out/stump him, but Marnus dragged his foot back in anyway. All aware, all normal cricket stuff. YJB even stood up to the stumps when Jimmy was bowling later to stop Marnus batting out of his crease.

In the case of the Bairstow wicket, he wasn't trying to gain an advantage. But it's still stupid, and it's excellent from Carey. Like I said, I don't particularly have any issue with it. You're correct, the moral outrage about the situation is absolutely ridiculous.

If the Aussies haven’t got the bottle to warn the batsman that that they will try to stump him it’s totally against the spirit of the game. If Carey was that concerned he should have sto up to the stumps to stop him, just like Bairstow did. 
Bairstow was not trying to take advantage of anything he was going to talk to his partner.
No matter what any of you think it’s totally against the spirit of the game, the Aussies only think this was ok because they did it. If the boot was on the other foot there would have been outrage.

So let me know if you are/were equally outraged by the Foakes/Balbirnie ''stumping''. I am sure you found that disgraceful too!

Balbirnie was overbalanced from the process of playing a shot. They're totally incomparable.

[AnelkasBeard]

On that dismissal. 

I'm not a fan of it, but nor do I think it deserves the moral outrage it appears to have produced.

It seems Bairstow tried to do a similar thing earlier in the test...is it only against the spirit of the game if it is done successfully. 

If cricket fans want to complain about something, try the pitches. They are not doing enough for the bowlers. Both sides could and should have got over 500 in their first innings, not sure that makes for good test cricket.

The best 2 sessions I watched in this test..and sadly I didn't see any live yesterday...we're afternoon session on third day. The aussie batsmen tested by difficult conditions and good bowling. And the evening session on day 4. Initially great bowling by Starc and Cummins, and then great batting by Duckett and Stokes in difficult circumstances.

Bairstow's attempt wasn't the same as Carey's. The instance in question, Marnus was batting out of his crease to try and mitigate a moving ball, thus gaining advantage of it. Bairstow was attempting to run him out/stump him, but Marnus dragged his foot back in anyway. All aware, all normal cricket stuff. YJB even stood up to the stumps when Jimmy was bowling later to stop Marnus batting out of his crease.

In the case of the Bairstow wicket, he wasn't trying to gain an advantage. But it's still stupid, and it's excellent from Carey. Like I said, I don't particularly have any issue with it. You're correct, the moral outrage about the situation is absolutely ridiculous.

If the Aussies haven’t got the bottle to warn the batsman that that they will try to stump him it’s totally against the spirit of the game. If Carey was that concerned he should have sto up to the stumps to stop him, just like Bairstow did. 
Bairstow was not trying to take advantage of anything he was going to talk to his partner.
No matter what any of you think it’s totally against the spirit of the game, the Aussies only think this was ok because they did it. If the boot was on the other foot there would have been outrage.

So let me know if you are/were equally outraged by the Foakes/Balbirnie ''stumping''. I am sure you found that disgraceful too!

Balbirnie was overbalanced from the process of playing a shot. They're totally incomparable.

Why? Both batsmen left their crease, both were stumped.

This is what I mean about "spirit of the game". We're just creating differences to try and be outraged. (not specifically you, I've seen this argument on Twitter a lot too).

[Ted Maul]

Bairstow's attempt wasn't the same as Carey's. The instance in question, Marnus was batting out of his crease to try and mitigate a moving ball, thus gaining advantage of it. Bairstow was attempting to run him out/stump him, but Marnus dragged his foot back in anyway. All aware, all normal cricket stuff. YJB even stood up to the stumps when Jimmy was bowling later to stop Marnus batting out of his crease.

In the case of the Bairstow wicket, he wasn't trying to gain an advantage. But it's still stupid, and it's excellent from Carey. Like I said, I don't particularly have any issue with it. You're correct, the moral outrage about the situation is absolutely ridiculous.

If the Aussies haven’t got the bottle to warn the batsman that that they will try to stump him it’s totally against the spirit of the game. If Carey was that concerned he should have sto up to the stumps to stop him, just like Bairstow did. 
Bairstow was not trying to take advantage of anything he was going to talk to his partner.
No matter what any of you think it’s totally against the spirit of the game, the Aussies only think this was ok because they did it. If the boot was on the other foot there would have been outrage.

So let me know if you are/were equally outraged by the Foakes/Balbirnie ''stumping''. I am sure you found that disgraceful too!

Balbirnie was overbalanced from the process of playing a shot. They're totally incomparable.

Why? Both batsmen left their crease, both were stumped.

This is what I mean about "spirit of the game". We're just creating differences to try and be outraged.  (not specifically you, I've seen this argument on Twitter a lot too).

Balbirnie hadn't completed his shot, he was still in the position of playing it and the umpire's we're still watching. Ba

Bairstow had left the ball, umpires had walked off, unclipped Green's cap and then Carey has thrown the stumps down once Bairstow has tapped his bat and moved away. Aussies have doubled-down this morning and said it was pre-meditated. 

I'm not creating a difference, it is difference. I genuinely believe there are very few "spirit of the game" issues these days. Other than 'mankads' this is as bad as it gets and is really poor form to do without so much as a warning. 

Still, it's a good job they did it, half an hour of Bairstow with Stokes and we'd have won that game.

[rsbaggy2]

So much outrage. But it's justified when roles are reversed.

[Ted Maul]

So much outrage. But it's justified when roles are reversed.

Eh?

I think I'm more outraged by the Australian's getting all upset at being called out for it. If you don't want people to call you a cunt, don't act like one.

[ericlegrisly]

So much outrage. But it's justified when roles are reversed.

Eh?

I think I'm more outraged by the Australian's getting all upset at being called out for it. If you don't want people to call you a cunt, don't act like one.

Wins Fred - good work Ted Maul.