Oil be damned

[Baggiejacko]

So basically if the song remains the same we're fecked whatever the UK do?

[HawkingsHalfpint]

Energy wise, that’s where we are, yes. And that’s what one day it will all come down to.

Capital-wise we still have levers to pull. Kier isn’t trusted to do it however.

[Borin' Baggie]

What are The Russians and The Chinese doing?

Fuck knows what Russia are doing.

China are literally building out their grid at massive scale right now so they can be less reliant on localised generation and better deploy the massive amount of renewables they've got online.

[Baggiejacko]

What are The Russians and The Chinese doing?

Fuck knows what Russia are doing.

China are literally building out their grid at massive scale right now so they can be less reliant on localised generation and better deploy the massive amount of renewables they've got online.

Is that enough?

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Yanks have gone for drill, drill, drill baby I hear?

[Protheroe]

Given BB tells me it'll be two decades until we have cheaper electricity (I won't hold my breath) I'm waiting for a government brave enough to tell me I have to rip out my gas boiler.

[Borin' Baggie]

What are The Russians and The Chinese doing?

Fuck knows what Russia are doing.

China are literally building out their grid at massive scale right now so they can be less reliant on localised generation and better deploy the massive amount of renewables they've got online.

Is that enough?

Well their current bottleneck is getting electricity from generation to use because of voltage drops (and associated energy losses) making them extremely reliant on quickly scalable local power i.e. coal to minimise that. They have much the same issue as we do.

Renewables account for over half of China's installed generation already, we're at just over 2/3rds for comparison.

[Baggiejacko]

What are The Russians and The Chinese doing?

Fuck knows what Russia are doing.

China are literally building out their grid at massive scale right now so they can be less reliant on localised generation and better deploy the massive amount of renewables they've got online.

Is that enough?

Well their current bottleneck is getting electricity from generation to use because of voltage drops (and associated energy losses) making them extremely reliant on quickly scalable local power i.e. coal to minimise that. They have much the same issue as we do.

Renewables account for over half of China's installed generation already, we're at just over 2/3rds for comparison.

What about the the emissions they produce during manufacturing etc?

[Borin' Baggie]

What are The Russians and The Chinese doing?

Fuck knows what Russia are doing.

China are literally building out their grid at massive scale right now so they can be less reliant on localised generation and better deploy the massive amount of renewables they've got online.

Is that enough?

Well their current bottleneck is getting electricity from generation to use because of voltage drops (and associated energy losses) making them extremely reliant on quickly scalable local power i.e. coal to minimise that. They have much the same issue as we do.

Renewables account for over half of China's installed generation already, we're at just over 2/3rds for comparison.

What about the the emissions they produce during manufacturing etc?

Well if they use more renewable electricity because of their electricity grid being able to better supply it to factories that will obviously drop.

[Baggiejacko]

Nowt to worry about then. Sounds like all are heading the right direction. I wondered why Greta had got bored with it all. I'm off to get me a 2 stroke bike to celebrate

[SausEggBaton]

Carbon isn’t necessarily the problem; it’s other Ox emissions. But that doesn’t make a great story.

Carbon has existed in the atmosphere in abundance for decades. We’re producing too much of the other shit (as well as Carbon) that is causing the problem.

We are carbon based lifeforms and TBf most lifeforms on this planet are carbon based which means carbon is not exactly the problem, however you are correct in that we are creating far too much oxide for the planet to handle via its self regenerative process of photosynthesis.

We can nullify the oxide creation from many of our machines, such as catalytic converters in cars, hydrogen mechanics, pure water diluting emissions, even common LPG is slightly better however does create sulpur oxides, which are bad, but scientific fact remains the oxides can be collected in exhaust filters using scientific knowledge and implementation. 

There is a couple of main problems. It is cheaper for Big Oil to make Petrol, than more expensive for Diesel, or 
Kerosene, paraffins, gels, Rocket fuel, but you know this anyway Hawkpip, and TBF most people should. But such manufacturing creates insane wealth for those that own its production. 

My Dad was in the auto industry, specifically engines and cylinder head design, working with AM, JLR, BLMC (70/80's). From I can gather post his death in 2001, is that water and hydrogen engines were the enemy, clearly meaning the car companies are in it with the fuel makers (BP and Shell) - however, some engineers, my father included, expressed that hydrogen is a viable clean fuel and would make cars ultimately (from the manufacturer's point of view request on investigation) behave the same as petrol.

Thus, until the car or large mechanical machine manufacturer's are willing to invest in alternative resourceful non harmful, freely reproducible fuel, then the world is as it stands.

And before anyone asks, no, electric is not the answer as every country purely doesn't have the infrastructure to install 200 charging points at Asda or Tesco nor ensure service stations can fast charge, nor the government (yet, I'll add yet) charging at your home becomes functional. But when it does, that "yet" will be taxed. Why? You're not buying petrol/diesel. How can they tax my home electricity charge? Electricity frequencies are known based on drain from the mains, therefore they will know if you have a charging pod, due to thw phase changes in electricity and longevity/draw on connection. 

In short. Fusion is the way.

People think otherwise because of it’s availability to be flammable but petrol/diesel is relatively safe compared to the conditions hydrogen needs to be in for combustion. 

If you’re cool with sitting on a bomb while you drive that’s up to you. Beats these electric wankers queuing like lemmings for a better life they won’t get though. Most of them tattooed with an ex girl or boyfriend and, a dog that they honestly didn’t leave alone.

I earn a decent salary. Climate anxiety doesn’t eclipse it. If it does then you are a fool.

Indeed, there no point worrying about our children at this point. Nor the tits with tattoos and a violent looking dog.

It's no necessarily sitting on a bomb while driving a vehicle that is the problem, our modern cars are effectively this considering the electronics and fuel of a modern vehicle. 

The more malleable response from Big Oil and car manufacturers is that Oil (and the derivatives there of) are cheaper than producing an engine, that most of the learned automation engineers and chemical scientists know, can easily be made today.

Anyway, we digress, the point being I suppose is that nobody is going to beat the oil baron's at their own game, and the manufacturer's wish to keep their products cost effective enough for the average person or business to purchase.