No match Fred?

[Vinebaggie]

No one can understand the subs that were made or Mowbrays post match comments about playing well. I just hope we haven’t another merry go round manager, but today has me worried.

[Tom Joad]

It's carnage on here! No need, it's the story of our season. Albion struggle when teams put 11 behind the ball and today was more of the same. From early on it was apparent Plymouth were playing like the away team. Letting Albion have the ball and content to hit on the break. We've seen it over again at The Hawthorns and today we showed yet again, a lack of firepower. One big difference though is our solid, well drilled rearguard was suspect. At HT  Tom hadn't got into it, Grady was trying but being outmuscled, Mikey was having plenty of ball and Argyle were battling with vigour,  but it can't be hard to change, shir ley? But 2nd half was a big disappointment. Right side hadn't worked all game but now Mikey wasn't so effective either. Styles (who doesn't overlap at all) was giving out hospital passes, Grady vanished altogether, Jed - who was getting blocked off the ball constantly- just wasn't getting anywhere. Swift just wasn't fast enough with the ball either but credit to Plymouth for all of these things. 
Subs needed making but (and I understand TM wants to look at what he has), they made us worse. 
Credit to Plymouth. Their manager has them sweating blood and their crowd responded. Albion have struggled all season to break down stubborn sides but without a CF it's doubly difficult. Did Albion do enough to win, arguably not. Did Plymouth?  They worked hard, had a little luck and a homer ref but those talking to us post match thought they'd got lucky. I reckon Lurker will give us a stats report and confirm  Argyle had fewer chances than us, despite what I read above. Difference was our defence and midfield is suddenly looking leaky and when you don't score it is the defence that can cost you.

[Derek Hardballs]

It's carnage on here! No need, it's the story of our season. Albion struggle when teams put 11 behind the ball and today was more of the same. From early on it was apparent Plymouth were playing like the away team. Letting Albion have the ball and content to hit on the break. We've seen it over again at The Hawthorns and today we showed yet again, a lack of firepower. One big difference though is our solid, well drilled rearguard was suspect. At HT  Tom hadn't got into it, Grady was trying but being outmuscled, Mikey was having plenty of ball and Argyle were battling with vigour,  but it can't be hard to change, shir ley? But 2nd half was a big disappointment. Right side hadn't worked all game but now Mikey wasn't so effective either. Styles (who doesn't overlap at all) was giving out hospital passes, Grady vanished altogether, Jed - who was getting blocked off the ball constantly- just wasn't getting anywhere. Swift just wasn't fast enough with the ball either but credit to Plymouth for all of these things. 
Subs needed making but (and I understand TM wants to look at what he has), they made us worse. 
Credit to Plymouth. Their manager has them sweating blood and their crowd responded. Albion have struggled all season to break down stubborn sides but without a CF it's doubly difficult. Did Albion do enough to win, arguably not. Did Plymouth?  They worked hard, had a little luck and a homer ref but those talking to us post match thought they'd got lucky. I reckon Lurker will give us a stats report and confirm  Argyle had fewer chances than us, despite what I read above. Difference was our defence and midfield is suddenly looking leaky and when you don't score it is the defence that can cost you.

Stat attack

[baggiedave85]

Sum the game up:

Poor performance but still much the better team against a very poor side. Winning 1 nil in a game were Palmer is a spectator for most of it. Then the c4nt changes the whole complexity of the game and we lose it. Subs made were v confusing but again highlights the issue we have all known about on creativity.

But the main reason we dont win that game is out of our control

[Tom Joad]

It's carnage on here! No need, it's the story of our season. Albion struggle when teams put 11 behind the ball and today was more of the same. From early on it was apparent Plymouth were playing like the away team. Letting Albion have the ball and content to hit on the break. We've seen it over again at The Hawthorns and today we showed yet again, a lack of firepower. One big difference though is our solid, well drilled rearguard was suspect. At HT  Tom hadn't got into it, Grady was trying but being outmuscled, Mikey was having plenty of ball and Argyle were battling with vigour,  but it can't be hard to change, shir ley? But 2nd half was a big disappointment. Right side hadn't worked all game but now Mikey wasn't so effective either. Styles (who doesn't overlap at all) was giving out hospital passes, Grady vanished altogether, Jed - who was getting blocked off the ball constantly- just wasn't getting anywhere. Swift just wasn't fast enough with the ball either but credit to Plymouth for all of these things. 
Subs needed making but (and I understand TM wants to look at what he has), they made us worse. 
Credit to Plymouth. Their manager has them sweating blood and their crowd responded. Albion have struggled all season to break down stubborn sides but without a CF it's doubly difficult. Did Albion do enough to win, arguably not. Did Plymouth?  They worked hard, had a little luck and a homer ref but those talking to us post match thought they'd got lucky. I reckon Lurker will give us a stats report and confirm  Argyle had fewer chances than us, despite what I read above. Difference was our defence and midfield is suddenly looking leaky and when you don't score it is the defence that can cost you.

Stat attack

Cheers DH. As I thought then.

[Derek Hardballs]

It's carnage on here! No need, it's the story of our season. Albion struggle when teams put 11 behind the ball and today was more of the same. From early on it was apparent Plymouth were playing like the away team. Letting Albion have the ball and content to hit on the break. We've seen it over again at The Hawthorns and today we showed yet again, a lack of firepower. One big difference though is our solid, well drilled rearguard was suspect. At HT  Tom hadn't got into it, Grady was trying but being outmuscled, Mikey was having plenty of ball and Argyle were battling with vigour,  but it can't be hard to change, shir ley? But 2nd half was a big disappointment. Right side hadn't worked all game but now Mikey wasn't so effective either. Styles (who doesn't overlap at all) was giving out hospital passes, Grady vanished altogether, Jed - who was getting blocked off the ball constantly- just wasn't getting anywhere. Swift just wasn't fast enough with the ball either but credit to Plymouth for all of these things. 
Subs needed making but (and I understand TM wants to look at what he has), they made us worse. 
Credit to Plymouth. Their manager has them sweating blood and their crowd responded. Albion have struggled all season to break down stubborn sides but without a CF it's doubly difficult. Did Albion do enough to win, arguably not. Did Plymouth?  They worked hard, had a little luck and a homer ref but those talking to us post match thought they'd got lucky. I reckon Lurker will give us a stats report and confirm  Argyle had fewer chances than us, despite what I read above. Difference was our defence and midfield is suddenly looking leaky and when you don't score it is the defence that can cost you.

Stat attack

Cheers DH. As I thought then.

The stats suggest a very even game. Our eyes suggest a very even game I don’t think anyone has suggested they were better than us but the only stats that count say we lost. Possession, xG bobbins, what was a half chance or not is irrelevant. I didn’t see us do enough to win the game, I saw us have a lot of the ball but di very little with it.

[Tom Joad]

It's carnage on here! No need, it's the story of our season. Albion struggle when teams put 11 behind the ball and today was more of the same. From early on it was apparent Plymouth were playing like the away team. Letting Albion have the ball and content to hit on the break. We've seen it over again at The Hawthorns and today we showed yet again, a lack of firepower. One big difference though is our solid, well drilled rearguard was suspect. At HT  Tom hadn't got into it, Grady was trying but being outmuscled, Mikey was having plenty of ball and Argyle were battling with vigour,  but it can't be hard to change, shir ley? But 2nd half was a big disappointment. Right side hadn't worked all game but now Mikey wasn't so effective either. Styles (who doesn't overlap at all) was giving out hospital passes, Grady vanished altogether, Jed - who was getting blocked off the ball constantly- just wasn't getting anywhere. Swift just wasn't fast enough with the ball either but credit to Plymouth for all of these things. 
Subs needed making but (and I understand TM wants to look at what he has), they made us worse. 
Credit to Plymouth. Their manager has them sweating blood and their crowd responded. Albion have struggled all season to break down stubborn sides but without a CF it's doubly difficult. Did Albion do enough to win, arguably not. Did Plymouth?  They worked hard, had a little luck and a homer ref but those talking to us post match thought they'd got lucky. I reckon Lurker will give us a stats report and confirm  Argyle had fewer chances than us, despite what I read above. Difference was our defence and midfield is suddenly looking leaky and when you don't score it is the defence that can cost you.

Stat attack

Cheers DH. As I thought then.

The stats suggest a very even game. Our eyes suggest a very even game I don’t think anyone has suggested they were better than us but the only stats that count say we lost. Possession, xG bobbins, what was a half chance or not is irrelevant. I didn’t see us do enough to win the game, I saw us have a lot of the ball but di very little with it.

I should have known better than to go on the match fred, it's always knee jerk and that was my point, carnage!
I guess what we all agree on is Albion's seemingly eternal problem in putting the ball in the net. A problem more obvious with injury to our only centre forward of any merit.
I agree possession, xg etc is all largely irrelevant to the score. All I wanted to say was in a game of 2 hugely different styles of play, keep a clean sheet and we will leave with 1 or 3 points. Is all.

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It's carnage on here! No need, it's the story of our season. Albion struggle when teams put 11 behind the ball and today was more of the same. From early on it was apparent Plymouth were playing like the away team. Letting Albion have the ball and content to hit on the break. We've seen it over again at The Hawthorns and today we showed yet again, a lack of firepower. One big difference though is our solid, well drilled rearguard was suspect. At HT  Tom hadn't got into it, Grady was trying but being outmuscled, Mikey was having plenty of ball and Argyle were battling with vigour,  but it can't be hard to change, shir ley? But 2nd half was a big disappointment. Right side hadn't worked all game but now Mikey wasn't so effective either. Styles (who doesn't overlap at all) was giving out hospital passes, Grady vanished altogether, Jed - who was getting blocked off the ball constantly- just wasn't getting anywhere. Swift just wasn't fast enough with the ball either but credit to Plymouth for all of these things. 
Subs needed making but (and I understand TM wants to look at what he has), they made us worse. 
Credit to Plymouth. Their manager has them sweating blood and their crowd responded. Albion have struggled all season to break down stubborn sides but without a CF it's doubly difficult. Did Albion do enough to win, arguably not. Did Plymouth?  They worked hard, had a little luck and a homer ref but those talking to us post match thought they'd got lucky. I reckon Lurker will give us a stats report and confirm  Argyle had fewer chances than us, despite what I read above. Difference was our defence and midfield is suddenly looking leaky and when you don't score it is the defence that can cost you.

Stat attack

Cheers DH. As I thought then.

The stats suggest a very even game. Our eyes suggest a very even game I don’t think anyone has suggested they were better than us but the only stats that count say we lost. Possession, xG bobbins, what was a half chance or not is irrelevant. I didn’t see us do enough to win the game, I saw us have a lot of the ball but di very little with it.

I should have known better than to go on the match fred, it's always knee jerk and that was my point, carnage!
I guess what we all agree on is Albion's seemingly eternal problem in putting the ball in the net. A problem more obvious with injury to our only centre forward of any merit.
I agree possession, xg etc is all largely irrelevant to the score. All I wanted to say was in a game of 2 hugely different styles of play, keep a clean sheet and we will leave with 1 or 3 points. Is all.

[Derek Hardballs]

It's carnage on here! No need, it's the story of our season. Albion struggle when teams put 11 behind the ball and today was more of the same. From early on it was apparent Plymouth were playing like the away team. Letting Albion have the ball and content to hit on the break. We've seen it over again at The Hawthorns and today we showed yet again, a lack of firepower. One big difference though is our solid, well drilled rearguard was suspect. At HT  Tom hadn't got into it, Grady was trying but being outmuscled, Mikey was having plenty of ball and Argyle were battling with vigour,  but it can't be hard to change, shir ley? But 2nd half was a big disappointment. Right side hadn't worked all game but now Mikey wasn't so effective either. Styles (who doesn't overlap at all) was giving out hospital passes, Grady vanished altogether, Jed - who was getting blocked off the ball constantly- just wasn't getting anywhere. Swift just wasn't fast enough with the ball either but credit to Plymouth for all of these things. 
Subs needed making but (and I understand TM wants to look at what he has), they made us worse. 
Credit to Plymouth. Their manager has them sweating blood and their crowd responded. Albion have struggled all season to break down stubborn sides but without a CF it's doubly difficult. Did Albion do enough to win, arguably not. Did Plymouth?  They worked hard, had a little luck and a homer ref but those talking to us post match thought they'd got lucky. I reckon Lurker will give us a stats report and confirm  Argyle had fewer chances than us, despite what I read above. Difference was our defence and midfield is suddenly looking leaky and when you don't score it is the defence that can cost you.

Stat attack

Cheers DH. As I thought then.

The stats suggest a very even game. Our eyes suggest a very even game I don’t think anyone has suggested they were better than us but the only stats that count say we lost. Possession, xG bobbins, what was a half chance or not is irrelevant. I didn’t see us do enough to win the game, I saw us have a lot of the ball but di very little with it.

I should have known better than to go on the match fred, it's always knee jerk and that was my point, carnage!
I guess what we all agree on is Albion's seemingly eternal problem in putting the ball in the net. A problem more obvious with injury to our only centre forward of any merit.
I agree possession, xg etc is all largely irrelevant to the score. All I wanted to say was in a game of 2 hugely different styles of play, keep a clean sheet and we will leave with 1 or 3 points. Is all.

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It's carnage on here! No need, it's the story of our season. Albion struggle when teams put 11 behind the ball and today was more of the same. From early on it was apparent Plymouth were playing like the away team. Letting Albion have the ball and content to hit on the break. We've seen it over again at The Hawthorns and today we showed yet again, a lack of firepower. One big difference though is our solid, well drilled rearguard was suspect. At HT  Tom hadn't got into it, Grady was trying but being outmuscled, Mikey was having plenty of ball and Argyle were battling with vigour,  but it can't be hard to change, shir ley? But 2nd half was a big disappointment. Right side hadn't worked all game but now Mikey wasn't so effective either. Styles (who doesn't overlap at all) was giving out hospital passes, Grady vanished altogether, Jed - who was getting blocked off the ball constantly- just wasn't getting anywhere. Swift just wasn't fast enough with the ball either but credit to Plymouth for all of these things. 
Subs needed making but (and I understand TM wants to look at what he has), they made us worse. 
Credit to Plymouth. Their manager has them sweating blood and their crowd responded. Albion have struggled all season to break down stubborn sides but without a CF it's doubly difficult. Did Albion do enough to win, arguably not. Did Plymouth?  They worked hard, had a little luck and a homer ref but those talking to us post match thought they'd got lucky. I reckon Lurker will give us a stats report and confirm  Argyle had fewer chances than us, despite what I read above. Difference was our defence and midfield is suddenly looking leaky and when you don't score it is the defence that can cost you.

Stat attack

Cheers DH. As I thought then.

The stats suggest a very even game. Our eyes suggest a very even game I don’t think anyone has suggested they were better than us but the only stats that count say we lost. Possession, xG bobbins, what was a half chance or not is irrelevant. I didn’t see us do enough to win the game, I saw us have a lot of the ball but di very little with it.

I should have known better than to go on the match fred, it's always knee jerk and that was my point, carnage!
I guess what we all agree on is Albion's seemingly eternal problem in putting the ball in the net. A problem more obvious with injury to our only centre forward of any merit.
I agree possession, xg etc is all largely irrelevant to the score. All I wanted to say was in a game of 2 hugely different styles of play, keep a clean sheet and we will leave with 1 or 3 points. Is all.

There is nothing knee jerk about my post or most of those who dared to criticise a poor performance and result yesterday. It’s getting silly now on here, dare to say anything that contradicts the perceived wisdom of the board in terms of who is and isn’t a good manager, who is and isn’t a good player and it’s a meltdown. 

Stats tell you part of the picture but witnessing the game tells you just as much. Their chances imo were better than ours, they may not have been more numerous but apart from our goal and the offside chance I’m struggling to remember more than a handful of shots from outside the area only one of which troubled the keeper.

[Tom Joad]

I can't be bothered to quote all that. Re Derek, I didn't mean you when I said the reaction was kneejerk. It always is on the match thread and then normally more measured the day after. I said all I wanted about the game and I didn't praise the performance, merely pointed out that if you don't concede you don't lose. We had both team errors and individual errors yesterday. Back to basics for me.