(08-31-2025, 08:11 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: All of this is too difficult to achieve

(08-31-2025, 08:25 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(08-31-2025, 08:11 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: All of this is too difficult to achieve

 It’s not fair, politics is weally weally hard leave it to the grown ups.

(08-30-2025, 10:17 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 09:14 AM)Baggiejacko Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 08:54 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 08:44 AM)Baggiejacko Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 08:02 AM)baggy1 Wrote: Explain what you mean by ‘it’s a matter of numbers’? Simple questions - do we need immigration? And do you think that the 4% of that immigration is the difference between everything being alright and everything being shit?

There's an absolute crippling housing crisis. How does 28k illegal immigrants this year so far alone help this besides legal ones? They are put in hotels because there is nowhere else to put them. When they almost all processed positively where are they going? You have to start somewhere. All about numbers

There's a housing crisis because we haven't built 4,000,000 homes over the last 40 years. There would be a housing crisis with net negative immigration. The party you are going to vote for is opposed to building more houses.

Probably 100% all true but the answer isn't to keep allowing the situation to worsen. We're skint and can't build the houses even if we find spaces for them. It aint just houses needed its hospitals, schools, doctors practices and other infrastructure. It needs a stop till we've caught up. Then there's the matter of staffing these places needed. Ffs we're at bursting point in a lot of areas.

The answer is to build more houses and other infrastructure, Reform have said they will obstruct that adding to the housing crisis and the demand squeeze on capacity for public services and transport. They are not the answer. Their "plan" for stopping irregular migration is complete bunk. The hotels are being used because the last government paused processing claimants for some stupid fucking reason creating a backlog that needs to be processed in order to deport the people who have no right of claim.

I am getting fed up of this country actively making things worse by continually voting for charlatans because they are blinded by a single issue ignoring all the shite being spouted that doesn't even get fixed.

(08-31-2025, 08:41 AM)baggy1 Wrote: Don’t you worry lads Nigel will be here soon with his free tv for every household and cricket on the green every Sunday.

(08-31-2025, 09:24 AM)chasetownbaggie Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 10:17 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 09:14 AM)Baggiejacko Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 08:54 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 08:44 AM)Baggiejacko Wrote: There's an absolute crippling housing crisis. How does 28k illegal immigrants this year so far alone help this besides legal ones? They are put in hotels because there is nowhere else to put them. When they almost all processed positively where are they going? You have to start somewhere. All about numbers

There's a housing crisis because we haven't built 4,000,000 homes over the last 40 years. There would be a housing crisis with net negative immigration. The party you are going to vote for is opposed to building more houses.

Probably 100% all true but the answer isn't to keep allowing the situation to worsen. We're skint and can't build the houses even if we find spaces for them. It aint just houses needed its hospitals, schools, doctors practices and other infrastructure. It needs a stop till we've caught up. Then there's the matter of staffing these places needed. Ffs we're at bursting point in a lot of areas.

The answer is to build more houses and other infrastructure, Reform have said they will obstruct that adding to the housing crisis and the demand squeeze on capacity for public services and transport. They are not the answer. Their "plan" for stopping irregular migration is complete bunk. The hotels are being used because the last government paused processing claimants for some stupid fucking reason creating a backlog that needs to be processed in order to deport the people who have no right of claim.

I am getting fed up of this country actively making things worse by continually voting for charlatans because they are blinded by a single issue ignoring all the shite being spouted that doesn't even get fixed.

When I think about what made Britain 'great', I think back to the Victorian era where grand projects were conducted at an astonishing rate. Canals, railways, sewage systems, bridges, aquaducts, viaducts, tunnels and Civic architecture, all to the benefit of the nation's health and wealth.

We hardly do anything like this anymore, it seems. I can think of Channel Tunnel, Crossrail and HS1 and 2 in the past 40 years. Our governments have lost ambition and constrained by short-term planning. I was encouraged by Labour's 'build, baby, build' message but they look to have lost their nerve, I fear, becoming distracted by Farage (who also lacks ambition beyond stopping boats).

(08-31-2025, 11:13 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(08-31-2025, 08:41 AM)baggy1 Wrote: Don’t you worry lads Nigel will be here soon with his free tv for every household and cricket on the green every Sunday.

You can thank this Labour governments and its advisers for that. Something something working people…

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(08-31-2025, 09:24 AM)chasetownbaggie Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 10:17 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 09:14 AM)Baggiejacko Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 08:54 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: There's a housing crisis because we haven't built 4,000,000 homes over the last 40 years. There would be a housing crisis with net negative immigration. The party you are going to vote for is opposed to building more houses.

Probably 100% all true but the answer isn't to keep allowing the situation to worsen. We're skint and can't build the houses even if we find spaces for them. It aint just houses needed its hospitals, schools, doctors practices and other infrastructure. It needs a stop till we've caught up. Then there's the matter of staffing these places needed. Ffs we're at bursting point in a lot of areas.

The answer is to build more houses and other infrastructure, Reform have said they will obstruct that adding to the housing crisis and the demand squeeze on capacity for public services and transport. They are not the answer. Their "plan" for stopping irregular migration is complete bunk. The hotels are being used because the last government paused processing claimants for some stupid fucking reason creating a backlog that needs to be processed in order to deport the people who have no right of claim.

I am getting fed up of this country actively making things worse by continually voting for charlatans because they are blinded by a single issue ignoring all the shite being spouted that doesn't even get fixed.

When I think about what made Britain 'great', I think back to the Victorian era where grand projects were conducted at an astonishing rate. Canals, railways, sewage systems, bridges, aquaducts, viaducts, tunnels and Civic architecture, all to the benefit of the nation's health and wealth.

We hardly do anything like this anymore, it seems. I can think of Channel Tunnel, Crossrail and HS1 and 2 in the past 40 years. Our governments have lost ambition and constrained by short-term planning. I was encouraged by Labour's 'build, baby, build' message but they look to have lost their nerve, I fear, becoming distracted by Farage (who also lacks ambition beyond stopping boats).

The Victorian age where working class people were exploited, children did unbelievably dangerous jobs, poor houses, slums, women’s jaws literally falling off whilst making matches, whilst we rode roughshod over countries across the globe, exploiting their resources and people. Be careful what you wish for, I suspect some would love this era to return on the right of UK and perhaps US politics.

(08-30-2025, 05:19 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: Yes, I do have a better idea.

1. Legalise cannabis and other soft drugs to starve out the demand for gangs to smuggle in indentured servants/slaves into their domestic black market operations.

2. More labour regulation of the grey market to cut off the incentive to come here and make money, more frequent stops and checks by police for people who earn through those services and image checks with end-users and businesses interacting with them to confirm the person delivering is the owner of the account instead of a name.

3. Re-join the Dublin Convention to re-introduce the deterrent of being removed back to the continent immediately for anyone who crosses the channel, in exchange for dealing with the pool of claimants across the continent with all other European countries. Because you aren't going to remove them once they're here if you aren't working with the places that you're removing them to and it's a hell of a lot more palatable to work with the EU than the fucking IRGC and Taliban.

4. Introduce pathways for asylum applications for people closer to conflict zones who are more likely to be vulnerable (women and children) to incentivise a more favourable mix of asylum seekers coming in that have been pre-screened and offering better means to reject those who do not come via those approved pathways.

5. Danish-style integration and assimilation incentives such as the anti-ghetto laws.

6. Fucking building shit. Build processing and detention facilities, build the schools for the children of asylum seekers to learn with a targeted curriculum for better integration into mainstream education.

I know the last point isn't going to happen overnight but the other 5 can. This wasn't a problem when we were in the EU, was it? Even with things like the Calais Jungle. But no, apparently 6,000 asylum seekers via the Dublin convention was too much - how much you'd love to get it back down to that, hey?

And yes you absolutely are falling for their salami slicing. First it was leave the EU. Now it's modifying the 1998 HRA to disapply the EHRC. Soon it will be we need to leave the EHRC and Council of Europe. And finally it will be we need to leave the 1951 UN Refugee Convention. Slice by slice, you the Tories and Labour are falling for it and I'm sick of it, pandering to the hard right doesn't stop them. All you are doing is letting them say "hey look, these "moderates" said we were right after fighting" and legitimising them as the populations frustrations aren't fixed. They aren't right, they don't have a point, their plans aren't fixing anything and they need to be called out for their bullshit instead of pandered to.

(08-31-2025, 05:38 PM)Squid Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 05:19 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: Yes, I do have a better idea.

1. Legalise cannabis and other soft drugs to starve out the demand for gangs to smuggle in indentured servants/slaves into their domestic black market operations.

2. More labour regulation of the grey market to cut off the incentive to come here and make money, more frequent stops and checks by police for people who earn through those services and image checks with end-users and businesses interacting with them to confirm the person delivering is the owner of the account instead of a name.

3. Re-join the Dublin Convention to re-introduce the deterrent of being removed back to the continent immediately for anyone who crosses the channel, in exchange for dealing with the pool of claimants across the continent with all other European countries. Because you aren't going to remove them once they're here if you aren't working with the places that you're removing them to and it's a hell of a lot more palatable to work with the EU than the fucking IRGC and Taliban.

4. Introduce pathways for asylum applications for people closer to conflict zones who are more likely to be vulnerable (women and children) to incentivise a more favourable mix of asylum seekers coming in that have been pre-screened and offering better means to reject those who do not come via those approved pathways.

5. Danish-style integration and assimilation incentives such as the anti-ghetto laws.

6. Fucking building shit. Build processing and detention facilities, build the schools for the children of asylum seekers to learn with a targeted curriculum for better integration into mainstream education.

I know the last point isn't going to happen overnight but the other 5 can. This wasn't a problem when we were in the EU, was it? Even with things like the Calais Jungle. But no, apparently 6,000 asylum seekers via the Dublin convention was too much - how much you'd love to get it back down to that, hey?

And yes you absolutely are falling for their salami slicing. First it was leave the EU. Now it's modifying the 1998 HRA to disapply the EHRC. Soon it will be we need to leave the EHRC and Council of Europe. And finally it will be we need to leave the 1951 UN Refugee Convention. Slice by slice, you the Tories and Labour are falling for it and I'm sick of it, pandering to the hard right doesn't stop them. All you are doing is letting them say "hey look, these "moderates" said we were right after fighting" and legitimising them as the populations frustrations aren't fixed. They aren't right, they don't have a point, their plans aren't fixing anything and they need to be called out for their bullshit instead of pandered to.

No thank you, that sounds pretty bleak:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/13/top-eu-court-adviser-denmark-ghetto-law-parallel-society-act-direct-discrimination


The fact that racist riots can kick off so easily is the biggest barrier to integration in this country. Most people just want an easy life with no hassle and if that means living in an area with lots of people like them, that's what they'll choose. The only thing that changes that is money, hence the leafy areas of Birmingham are still ethnically diverse.

(08-31-2025, 05:51 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:

(08-31-2025, 05:38 PM)Squid Wrote:

(08-30-2025, 05:19 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: Yes, I do have a better idea.

1. Legalise cannabis and other soft drugs to starve out the demand for gangs to smuggle in indentured servants/slaves into their domestic black market operations.

2. More labour regulation of the grey market to cut off the incentive to come here and make money, more frequent stops and checks by police for people who earn through those services and image checks with end-users and businesses interacting with them to confirm the person delivering is the owner of the account instead of a name.

3. Re-join the Dublin Convention to re-introduce the deterrent of being removed back to the continent immediately for anyone who crosses the channel, in exchange for dealing with the pool of claimants across the continent with all other European countries. Because you aren't going to remove them once they're here if you aren't working with the places that you're removing them to and it's a hell of a lot more palatable to work with the EU than the fucking IRGC and Taliban.

4. Introduce pathways for asylum applications for people closer to conflict zones who are more likely to be vulnerable (women and children) to incentivise a more favourable mix of asylum seekers coming in that have been pre-screened and offering better means to reject those who do not come via those approved pathways.

5. Danish-style integration and assimilation incentives such as the anti-ghetto laws.

6. Fucking building shit. Build processing and detention facilities, build the schools for the children of asylum seekers to learn with a targeted curriculum for better integration into mainstream education.

I know the last point isn't going to happen overnight but the other 5 can. This wasn't a problem when we were in the EU, was it? Even with things like the Calais Jungle. But no, apparently 6,000 asylum seekers via the Dublin convention was too much - how much you'd love to get it back down to that, hey?

And yes you absolutely are falling for their salami slicing. First it was leave the EU. Now it's modifying the 1998 HRA to disapply the EHRC. Soon it will be we need to leave the EHRC and Council of Europe. And finally it will be we need to leave the 1951 UN Refugee Convention. Slice by slice, you the Tories and Labour are falling for it and I'm sick of it, pandering to the hard right doesn't stop them. All you are doing is letting them say "hey look, these "moderates" said we were right after fighting" and legitimising them as the populations frustrations aren't fixed. They aren't right, they don't have a point, their plans aren't fixing anything and they need to be called out for their bullshit instead of pandered to.

No thank you, that sounds pretty bleak:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/13/top-eu-court-adviser-denmark-ghetto-law-parallel-society-act-direct-discrimination


The fact that racist riots can kick off so easily is the biggest barrier to integration in this country. Most people just want an easy life with no hassle and if that means living in an area with lots of people like them, that's what they'll choose. The only thing that changes that is money, hence the leafy areas of Birmingham are still ethnically diverse.

Third generation immigrants are classed as home origin and it's targeted at social housing, not owner-occupiers or private renters so I highly doubt the people of Handsworth Wood would be in anyway affected.