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RE: UK Covid death toll - JOK - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 06:39 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:INCORRECT AGAIN. Do you ever read posts or just read into posts what you want to think?(07-06-2021, 06:36 AM)JOK Wrote:(07-06-2021, 05:49 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: So his two top scientific aids and experts say they shall be wearing their masks and still socially distancing and yet Johnson has clearly thrown the most vulnerable under a bus to appease the rabid nut jobs in his own party. This is a purely ideological decision not an economic one because things could still be in place to allow events to happen safely etc. This is a truly appalling PM and government. No matter how many replies to this post is going to alter my position so carry on.You say "things could be in place to allow events to happen safely etc" Give us your ideas.
How do you get Stadia, clubs, pubs, theatres etc. to use their full capacity 'safely' AND be economically viable?
How would you fill up a venue in a timely fashion that the public will accept?
How would you suggest guided tours at indoor heritage sites are run at the required capacity?
How would you, 'safely', organize a music festival? (they never strike me as being overly hygienic at the best of times)
How do you suggest care homes allow unlimited access again for all loved ones?
How would you manage a traditional wedding reception?
Are you in favour of Covid passports?
How is all this going to be policed ?
You say it is not an economical decision but ideological. What is the ideology that prompted the decision? Civil liberty? If that is so, it runs counter to everything you have said Tories stand for. Explain.
... how long do you want us to have restrictions going on for?
Gov says something is a good idea, you defend it. This could have been a gradual relaxing of restrictions, instead the everything must go decision is a needless risk given millions still need their first or second jab and at a time where rates of infection are rising at a very significant rate. When did following the science not dates become obsolete? At least Richard Madeley (Alan Partridge), Right Said Fred, the twonk from Lewis think it’s a good idea…
Another bleedin’ question I know won’t get answered BUT show me the part where I said it’s a good idea.
It’s actually more a case of “Gov says something”, you automatically criticize it!
How about you answering just one of the questions I posed instead of posting deflection and pointless flimflam.
If you are convinced there is a far better alternative tell us. Tell us how much longer the economy can continue to haemorrhage money. Give us the value of your fantastic intellect to advise us how much longer mental health can suffer. Instead of just hovering over your keyboard dithering with myopic outrage, tell me, a mere, uneducated mortal, how can we open up 100% safely, ever?
Instead of just a gainsay criticism, post constructive proposals.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 11:36 AM)baggy1 Wrote: It would be slightly better if the government would support businesses that want to continue to have some restrictions in place through the law, for example, if you want to continue to run a bar with only table service and masks to be worn when moving around, it would be helpful to that business to know they have the backing of the law if some gobshite decides he doesn't want to comply with those rules. At the moment the reliance has been placed on staff of the premises to deal with as the police would have no powers.
That's not what I understood.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 03:25 PM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-06-2021, 11:36 AM)baggy1 Wrote: It would be slightly better if the government would support businesses that want to continue to have some restrictions in place through the law, for example, if you want to continue to run a bar with only table service and masks to be worn when moving around, it would be helpful to that business to know they have the backing of the law if some gobshite decides he doesn't want to comply with those rules. At the moment the reliance has been placed on staff of the premises to deal with as the police would have no powers.
That's not what I understood.
I took that from him saying that there would be no legal requirement or something similar but could have been wrong on that. Hopefully you're correct and the business owners would have the protection of the law of they told someone their requirements on premises. I can see some businesses carrying on the 'table service' model as they will attract customers that don't want to be in crowded bars.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Ossian - 07-06-2021
Couple of things...
Numbers in the school where my wife works are on a marked upward curve; one which seems to follow the muddled advice around masks/no masks for students by almost exactly the customary two-week delay.
The school carries a stock of masks for students who forget (or 'forget') theirs; this is supposed to be an emergency supply. Today Mrs O alone has handed out 27; the reality seems to be that some parents have stopped buying masks and don't intend to start again.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-06-2021
I'll update properly tomorrow but on the day after the announcement that all restrictions are being removed, and the last 5 weeks increase in hospital numbers being 2 weeks of 10% increase followed by 3 weeks of 20% increase, we look like we will have a 30% increase week when we get the figures tomorrow. Don't forget these are all exponential as well.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Bortolazzi's Barnet - 07-06-2021
Scotland has 6 of the 10 regions in the World with the highest rate of infection.
Apologies from those on here eulogising the Scottish approach, anyone? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57712737
As for Devi Sridhar's claim that Scotland can be COVID free, seems a bit hollow.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 05:38 PM)Bortolazzi's Barnet Wrote: Scotland has 6 of the 10 regions in the World with the highest rate of infection.
Apologies from those on here eulogising the Scottish approach, anyone? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57712737
As for Devi Sridhar's claim that Scotland can be COVID free, seems a bit hollow.
More testing = more cases, we've had this over and over again and still someone wants to score political points over it. There are 338 people in hospital with covid in Scotland as of two days ago.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Tom Joad - 07-06-2021
baggy1 Wrote:Not my experience at all. My local can't afford to continue. it's normally a crowded live sports/live music venue which needs almost as many staff to serve a few tables. They can't even afford the Sky Sports fee (linked to business rates amount) and there isn't enough trade to pay a band. I know a few similar to this.Protheroe Wrote:baggy1 Wrote:It would be slightly better if the government would support businesses that want to continue to have some restrictions in place through the law, for example, if you want to continue to run a bar with only table service and masks to be worn when moving around, it would be helpful to that business to know they have the backing of the law if some gobshite decides he doesn't want to comply with those rules. At the moment the reliance has been placed on staff of the premises to deal with as the police would have no powers.
That's not what I understood.
I took that from him saying that there would be no legal requirement or something similar but could have been wrong on that. Hopefully you're correct and the business owners would have the protection of the law of they told someone their requirements on premises. I can see some businesses carrying on the 'table service' model as they will attract customers that don't want to be in crowded bars.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 07-07-2021
How does this help either health or the economy?
RE: UK Covid death toll - JOK - 07-07-2021
(07-06-2021, 11:36 AM)baggy1 Wrote:
It would be slightly better if the government would support businesses that want to continue to have some restrictions in place through the law, for example, if you want to continue to run a bar with only table service and masks to be worn when moving around, it would be helpful to that business to know they have the backing of the law if some gobshite decides he doesn't want to comply with those rules. At the moment the reliance has been placed on staff of the premises to deal with as the police would have no powers.
What protection in law do these private company instructions have?
No photography in theatre auditoriums, must remove a motorcycle helmet in a bank or shop, only one person in a shop’s changing room, no dogs in a children’s play area (non council), no second helpings of meat at a carvery, ‘staff only’ areas, staying behind a rope barrier at a tourist attraction / heritage site etc.
Just watched a montage vid on the BBC site and Boris, Sajid Javid, Tom Hunt,(Con. M.P.) do all encourage continued wearing of face masks in certain, crowded, situations. Does beg the question why feel the need to take the compulsory element away just yet