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Maybe GERMany have some unknown advantage.

(04-19-2020, 09:21 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 09:17 AM)HugeHons Wrote: [ -> ]Germany, a comparable sized country and economy to the UK ,seem to know what they’re doing. It’s too late for us to follow their model now.

Think time will tell who has it right. Other countries similar in size to us are equally struggling to find an answer (France, Italy).

We had the advantage of using the data from France, Italy, Spain and China to assist in our strategy and we royally fucked it up IMO.

(04-19-2020, 08:42 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]All this criticism of America... while watching US films, TV shows, wearing US style clothing, using American software on their Anerican smartphones... I'd be a little more worried by China than by the US.

Agreed
Maybe this government will think twice about selling their arses to any Tom Dick & Harry

Didnt they give a contract to them to run a nuclear power station recently?

It's highly likely that HS2 will have some Chinese influence. We don't know how significant yet.

As for the death numbers given by different countries, I don't think for a minute that they can be like-for-like.

It's politics.

(04-19-2020, 07:51 AM)MancBaggie Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 06:47 AM)Psalm23 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-18-2020, 11:43 PM)baggiebloke Wrote: [ -> ]Well.

Look at their 'leader'.

Indeed, half of em think the Moon landing was fake, the other half think WWE wrestling is real, it's not really difficult, to see how they collectively elected that fucking idiot to the presidency.   

Bang on the money. And that fuckwit President supports it

Imho most in the Midwest and central states have no grasp of reality at all alot don't even know there is a big wide world outside of the good old US of A, they come across as thick as shite to me, led by a even dumber president how someone hasn't taken a pop at him by now is most Baffling.

(04-19-2020, 09:31 AM)Pipkins Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 08:42 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]All this criticism of America... while watching US films, TV shows, wearing US style clothing, using American software on their Anerican smartphones... I'd be a little more worried by China than by the US.

Agreed
Maybe this government will think twice about selling their arses to any Tom Dick & Harry

Didnt they give a contract to them to run a nuclear power station recently?

Agree. Huawei decision by this government seems to be a wrong one.

(04-19-2020, 08:56 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 07:05 AM)strawman Wrote: [ -> ]It took 7 years before an effective antiretroviral for AIDS was developed, after  nearly 40 years no effective vaccine has been developed for AIDs and they estimate another 10 years. There is no guarantee that a vaccine will be developed for the current virus and no vaccine is 100% effective anyway, it relies on being effective enough for enough people to create herd immunity and not infect others.

You cannot keep people prisoners in their homes for extended periods of time, sooner or later people will say fuck it, if we have no life anyway we'll take our chances on death. Looks like the some Americans have decided sooner.

So, genuine question, in the possible event of no vaccine and no effective antiretroviral, how long before people on here are prepared to sacrifice their freedoms

How many people are you prepared to throw under the bus for our freedoms and other people’s death sentences? By people just going back to work you leave at least a million vulnerable people of various ages locked at home because the we shall see wave after wave of significant outbreaks. We are nowhere near ready to come out of lockdown, we gave up tracking and mapping  the virus in early March which would have allowed us to isolate outbreaks and lock them down before they got out of control. What have we got currently? 

I’ve heard that they are thinking of asking kids to go back to school... they must be some of the biggest if not the biggest germ factories we have. The idea children and teenagers are going to self isolate themselves or that teachers will be able to enforce it is hopeful at best. 

Sort out the testing and mapping first then start relaxing lock down.

Teachers are not allowed to discipline kids these days as it may upset the poor little dears, what chance of making them observe social distancing!

(04-19-2020, 09:09 AM)Morley Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 08:56 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 07:05 AM)strawman Wrote: [ -> ]It took 7 years before an effective antiretroviral for AIDS was developed, after  nearly 40 years no effective vaccine has been developed for AIDs and they estimate another 10 years. There is no guarantee that a vaccine will be developed for the current virus and no vaccine is 100% effective anyway, it relies on being effective enough for enough people to create herd immunity and not infect others.

You cannot keep people prisoners in their homes for extended periods of time, sooner or later people will say fuck it, if we have no life anyway we'll take our chances on death. Looks like the some Americans have decided sooner.

So, genuine question, in the possible event of no vaccine and no effective antiretroviral, how long before people on here are prepared to sacrifice their freedoms

How many people are you prepared to throw under the bus for our freedoms and other people’s death sentences? By people just going back to work you leave at least a million vulnerable people of various ages locked at home because the we shall see wave after wave of significant outbreaks. We are nowhere near ready to come out of lockdown, we gave up tracking and mapping  the virus in early March which would have allowed us to isolate outbreaks and lock them down before they got out of control. What have we got currently? 

I’ve heard that they are thinking of asking kids to go back to school... they must be some of the biggest if not the biggest germ factories we have. The idea children and teenagers are going to self isolate themselves or that teachers will be able to enforce it is hopeful at best. 

Sort out the testing and mapping first then start relaxing lock down.

How many are you prepared to throw under the bus?

People are going to die from treatable conditions because they are too scared to seek help. The data already shows this is happening, referrals to critical care pathways are way down. Chemo treatments are being suspended or cancelled. When you consider that large scale unemployment brings its own problems both social and healthcare you have to wonder what is the best way to proceed. 

Continue as we are and sacrifice the lives of the young or open back up and risk the lives of the elderly? It's a decision I'm glad I don't have to make.

Let’s look at things logically, we currently have a very limited way of knowing who has and hasn’t got the virus. Until we know that to an extent (it’s not perfect but better than stumbling around in the dark) where the virus is, where the hot spots are in the general public we are never going to deal the the virus effectively particularly without a vaccine. Taking the decision to let everyone back to work, school without this knowledge will simply see the virus infection rate spike again if there is no proper procedure to lock down areas of high infection. How is that methodology going to see patients with cancer etc be cared for / feel confident to go back to hospital? Their immunity is already compromised and yet they are supposed to be treated in the same hospital that’s battling another wave of Covid infections brought about by people being forced back to work when we haven’t got the first wave under control yet? How will capacity to treat everyone be helped by bringing the lockdown to a close early?

Also people of all ages are dying not just the elderly, it’s putting the economy before lives to relax the lockdown which isn’t very strict relatively speaking anyway before the nation not just certain sections of it. Put proper community testing in place in sufficient numbers before this stupid idea of letting people back to work or school otherwise we shall be back to square one within the year.

(04-19-2020, 08:39 AM)Fulham Fallout Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 08:33 AM)baggiebloke Wrote: [ -> ]Chinese virus.

Remember, it's the Chinese virus.

Lock n load.

If the virus did come from the lab in Wuhan (as various source have alleged) and Trump was made aware of this, you can see why he referred to it as the Chinese virus.

I wonder how he would describe AIDS?

(04-19-2020, 10:07 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 09:09 AM)Morley Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 08:56 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 07:05 AM)strawman Wrote: [ -> ]It took 7 years before an effective antiretroviral for AIDS was developed, after  nearly 40 years no effective vaccine has been developed for AIDs and they estimate another 10 years. There is no guarantee that a vaccine will be developed for the current virus and no vaccine is 100% effective anyway, it relies on being effective enough for enough people to create herd immunity and not infect others.

You cannot keep people prisoners in their homes for extended periods of time, sooner or later people will say fuck it, if we have no life anyway we'll take our chances on death. Looks like the some Americans have decided sooner.

So, genuine question, in the possible event of no vaccine and no effective antiretroviral, how long before people on here are prepared to sacrifice their freedoms

How many people are you prepared to throw under the bus for our freedoms and other people’s death sentences? By people just going back to work you leave at least a million vulnerable people of various ages locked at home because the we shall see wave after wave of significant outbreaks. We are nowhere near ready to come out of lockdown, we gave up tracking and mapping  the virus in early March which would have allowed us to isolate outbreaks and lock them down before they got out of control. What have we got currently? 

I’ve heard that they are thinking of asking kids to go back to school... they must be some of the biggest if not the biggest germ factories we have. The idea children and teenagers are going to self isolate themselves or that teachers will be able to enforce it is hopeful at best. 

Sort out the testing and mapping first then start relaxing lock down.

How many are you prepared to throw under the bus?

People are going to die from treatable conditions because they are too scared to seek help. The data already shows this is happening, referrals to critical care pathways are way down. Chemo treatments are being suspended or cancelled. When you consider that large scale unemployment brings its own problems both social and healthcare you have to wonder what is the best way to proceed. 

Continue as we are and sacrifice the lives of the young or open back up and risk the lives of the elderly? It's a decision I'm glad I don't have to make.

Let’s look at things logically, we currently have a very limited way of knowing who has and hasn’t got the virus. Until we know that to an extent (it’s not perfect but better than stumbling around in the dark) where the virus is, where the hot spots are in the general public we are never going to deal the the virus effectively particularly without a vaccine. Taking the decision to let everyone back to work, school without this knowledge will simply see the virus infection rate spike again if there is no proper procedure to lock down areas of high infection. How is that methodology going to see patients with cancer etc be cared for / feel confident to go back to hospital? Their immunity is already compromised and yet they are supposed to be treated in the same hospital that’s battling another wave of Covid infections brought about by people being forced back to work when we haven’t got the first wave under control yet? How will capacity to treat everyone be helped by bringing the lockdown to a close early?

Also people of all ages are dying not just the elderly, it’s putting the economy before lives to relax the lockdown which isn’t very strict relatively speaking anyway before the nation not just certain sections of it. Put proper community testing in place in sufficient numbers before this stupid idea of letting people back to work or school otherwise we shall be back to square one within the year.

I read recently that a couple of countries are going to perform tests on untreated sewerage to estimate the number of people with the virus.  This is something they have been doing to determine the number of people taking illegal drugs and something I was told 15 years ago that Italy was performing.