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All this criticism of America... while watching US films, TV shows, wearing US style clothing, using American software on their Anerican smartphones... I'd be a little more worried by China than by the US.

(04-19-2020, 08:42 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]All this criticism of America... while watching US films, TV shows, wearing US style clothing, using American software on their Anerican smartphones... I'd be a little more worried by China than by the US.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

(04-19-2020, 07:05 AM)strawman Wrote: [ -> ]It took 7 years before an effective antiretroviral for AIDS was developed, after  nearly 40 years no effective vaccine has been developed for AIDs and they estimate another 10 years. There is no guarantee that a vaccine will be developed for the current virus and no vaccine is 100% effective anyway, it relies on being effective enough for enough people to create herd immunity and not infect others.

You cannot keep people prisoners in their homes for extended periods of time, sooner or later people will say fuck it, if we have no life anyway we'll take our chances on death. Looks like the some Americans have decided sooner.

So, genuine question, in the possible event of no vaccine and no effective antiretroviral, how long before people on here are prepared to sacrifice their freedoms

How many people are you prepared to throw under the bus for our freedoms and other people’s death sentences? By people just going back to work you leave at least a million vulnerable people of various ages locked at home because the we shall see wave after wave of significant outbreaks. We are nowhere near ready to come out of lockdown, we gave up tracking and mapping  the virus in early March which would have allowed us to isolate outbreaks and lock them down before they got out of control. What have we got currently? 

I’ve heard that they are thinking of asking kids to go back to school... they must be some of the biggest if not the biggest germ factories we have. The idea children and teenagers are going to self isolate themselves or that teachers will be able to enforce it is hopeful at best. 

Sort out the testing and mapping first then start relaxing lock down.

(04-19-2020, 08:54 AM)WWHO Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 08:42 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]All this criticism of America... while watching US films, TV shows, wearing US style clothing, using American software on their Anerican smartphones... I'd be a little more worried by China than by the US.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

There are plenty of sensible Americans who think Trump is an idiot.

(04-19-2020, 08:42 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]All this criticism of America... while watching US films, TV shows, wearing US style clothing, using American software on their Anerican smartphones... I'd be a little more worried by China than by the US.

Most of that American stuff is made in China.

(04-19-2020, 08:56 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 08:54 AM)WWHO Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 08:42 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]All this criticism of America... while watching US films, TV shows, wearing US style clothing, using American software on their Anerican smartphones... I'd be a little more worried by China than by the US.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

There are plenty of sensible Americans who think Trump is an idiot.

Cosmopolitan America has more in common with Birmingham here than Birmingham, Alabama.
Issue is the nutters voted a nutter in. He’s been so astonishingly divisive even through this crisis it beggars belief. 
His word is worth shit, changes his mind, lies all the time - he’s an inept dangerous clown with not an ounce of integrity.
As one article said I read recently from one of the so called ‘fake news’ enemies of his, they rejected experts and career politicians when they let him in the White House. This is what happens when an amateur gets the post of most powerful politician.

(04-19-2020, 08:56 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 07:05 AM)strawman Wrote: [ -> ]It took 7 years before an effective antiretroviral for AIDS was developed, after  nearly 40 years no effective vaccine has been developed for AIDs and they estimate another 10 years. There is no guarantee that a vaccine will be developed for the current virus and no vaccine is 100% effective anyway, it relies on being effective enough for enough people to create herd immunity and not infect others.

You cannot keep people prisoners in their homes for extended periods of time, sooner or later people will say fuck it, if we have no life anyway we'll take our chances on death. Looks like the some Americans have decided sooner.

So, genuine question, in the possible event of no vaccine and no effective antiretroviral, how long before people on here are prepared to sacrifice their freedoms

How many people are you prepared to throw under the bus for our freedoms and other people’s death sentences? By people just going back to work you leave at least a million vulnerable people of various ages locked at home because the we shall see wave after wave of significant outbreaks. We are nowhere near ready to come out of lockdown, we gave up tracking and mapping  the virus in early March which would have allowed us to isolate outbreaks and lock them down before they got out of control. What have we got currently? 

I’ve heard that they are thinking of asking kids to go back to school... they must be some of the biggest if not the biggest germ factories we have. The idea children and teenagers are going to self isolate themselves or that teachers will be able to enforce it is hopeful at best. 

Sort out the testing and mapping first then start relaxing lock down.

How many are you prepared to throw under the bus?

People are going to die from treatable conditions because they are too scared to seek help. The data already shows this is happening, referrals to critical care pathways are way down. Chemo treatments are being suspended or cancelled. When you consider that large scale unemployment brings its own problems both social and healthcare you have to wonder what is the best way to proceed. 

Continue as we are and sacrifice the lives of the young or open back up and risk the lives of the elderly? It's a decision I'm glad I don't have to make.

Germany, a comparable sized country and economy to the UK ,seem to know what they’re doing. It’s too late for us to follow their model now.

(04-19-2020, 09:17 AM)HugeHons Wrote: [ -> ]Germany, a comparable sized country and economy to the UK ,seem to know what they’re doing. It’s too late for us to follow their model now.

Think time will tell who has it right. Other countries similar in size to us are equally struggling to find an answer (France, Italy).

(04-19-2020, 09:21 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 09:17 AM)HugeHons Wrote: [ -> ]Germany, a comparable sized country and economy to the UK ,seem to know what they’re doing. It’s too late for us to follow their model now.

Think time will tell who has it right. Other countries similar in size to us are equally struggling to find an answer (France, Italy).

I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest the Germans are right and we’re wrong.