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Or maybe they haven't currently got any way of recording if someone has had it effectively, or that the tests can be manipulated.

(07-20-2021, 03:16 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:13 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:06 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:04 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: [ -> ]And what about all those kids that attend with their parents? Will they be allowed to go to watch matches? Surely not seeing how the virus rampages through schools.

On the news this morning it said that 1 million kids missed school last week through isolation with 43k testing positive.

Wait til it’s every restaurant, pub, entertainment venue. Supermarkets will be the only thing left, they’ll just about allow people who exercise their medical choice to buy food, kind hearted governing that they are. Probably.

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(07-20-2021, 03:05 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 12:16 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]At least you admit your "Zero Covid" stance Dekka.

It is however the most singularly illiberal, selfish, authoritarian and wealth destroying take it's possible to have.

Whatever Proth,  I don't need lectures in selfishness from someone who advocates the use of charities as the best means to support sick and disabled children.

No one expects zero cases of Covid, however you don't control a disease that isn't the flu or cold by letting it rip through the population unhindered. 84% of hospital admissions for Covid are now from the under 50's (LBC report 20th July). The Delta variant and the lack of vaccination in this age group is the reason hospitals will be put under pressure because of numpties you admire /  'MP friends' lobbying for even the most basic of safety measures to be taken away. This won't help the economy, health or confidence for people to go out. I know several events that have been cancelled because organisers don't feel they can keep people safe, don't want to be liable for an outbreak and the hassle they will get from bolshy idiots demanding their right to ignore the safety of others.

Dekka, someone infected in the last 6 months is less risk to others (due to antibodies) than someone vaccinated (as they can have the virus and pass it on). Can you explain therefore why proof of previous infection is not allowable in nightclubs (soon to be pubs, sport etc)?

In addition, the WHO have repeatedly said testing is better than either vaccination or previous recovery for travel safety. So why aren’t tests being allowed as an alternative to vax proof? They’d actually be better.

I’ll give you a clue. It’s not about the safety of you or the vulnerable…..

What is it about?

Specifically, I don’t know. But some form of increased control, or authoritarianism, or money (shares in big pharma anyone?) would be my guess.

But can you answer how “the science” can not allow a negative test or previous recovery as a requirement? We keep being told follow the science. So can anyone explain this? It doesn’t sound like following the science to me…

I bet no journalists asks Sage/the government this….

It's about governments worldwide grabbing the opportunity to control their populations. It's the nature of governments to wish to control those they rule over as tightly as possible and they were never going to miss the opportunity presented to them by covid.
Just look at how the authorities shit themselves over stuff as innocuous as hippies gathering at Stonehenge or ravers partying with no recourse to licensing (ie asking permission and paying the right people) 
Of course the board Stalinist is frothing at the mouth whenever any of this gets questioned. He loves the jackboot of governmental control despite his alleged "liberal left wing" views (like nearly every liberal lefty i've ever met)

(07-20-2021, 03:23 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe they haven't currently got any way of recording if someone has had it effectively, or that the tests can be manipulated.

Yet for travel to many countries, both are allowable alternatives and can be recorded somehow for proof (an app I believe?). Amazing that.

(07-20-2021, 03:16 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:13 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:06 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote: [ -> ]I’ll give you a clue. It’s not about the safety of you or the vulnerable….

What is it about?

Specifically, I don’t know. 

That is funny when you read it back btw 

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(07-20-2021, 03:26 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:23 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe they haven't currently got any way of recording if someone has had it effectively, or that the tests can be manipulated.

Yet for travel to many countries, both are allowable alternatives and can be recorded somehow for proof (an app I believe?). Amazing that.

Good to know, which countries allow having had it in a time period as ok to enter, I haven't seen that.

(07-20-2021, 03:23 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe they haven't currently got any way of recording if someone has had it effectively, or that the tests can be manipulated.

And yet they seem to know that boosters will be required. How do they measure that?

The only safe measure is to take a test the day that you go to a venue. Being single, double, triple jabbed doesn't guarantee anything as being proved by the number of jabbed still catching Covid.

(07-20-2021, 03:24 PM)Sotv Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:16 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:13 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:06 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:04 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: [ -> ]And what about all those kids that attend with their parents? Will they be allowed to go to watch matches? Surely not seeing how the virus rampages through schools.

On the news this morning it said that 1 million kids missed school last week through isolation with 43k testing positive.

Wait til it’s every restaurant, pub, entertainment venue. Supermarkets will be the only thing left, they’ll just about allow people who exercise their medical choice to buy food, kind hearted governing that they are. Probably.

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(07-20-2021, 03:05 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever Proth,  I don't need lectures in selfishness from someone who advocates the use of charities as the best means to support sick and disabled children.

No one expects zero cases of Covid, however you don't control a disease that isn't the flu or cold by letting it rip through the population unhindered. 84% of hospital admissions for Covid are now from the under 50's (LBC report 20th July). The Delta variant and the lack of vaccination in this age group is the reason hospitals will be put under pressure because of numpties you admire /  'MP friends' lobbying for even the most basic of safety measures to be taken away. This won't help the economy, health or confidence for people to go out. I know several events that have been cancelled because organisers don't feel they can keep people safe, don't want to be liable for an outbreak and the hassle they will get from bolshy idiots demanding their right to ignore the safety of others.

Dekka, someone infected in the last 6 months is less risk to others (due to antibodies) than someone vaccinated (as they can have the virus and pass it on). Can you explain therefore why proof of previous infection is not allowable in nightclubs (soon to be pubs, sport etc)?

In addition, the WHO have repeatedly said testing is better than either vaccination or previous recovery for travel safety. So why aren’t tests being allowed as an alternative to vax proof? They’d actually be better.

I’ll give you a clue. It’s not about the safety of you or the vulnerable…..

What is it about?

Specifically, I don’t know. But some form of increased control, or authoritarianism, or money (shares in big pharma anyone?) would be my guess.

But can you answer how “the science” can not allow a negative test or previous recovery as a requirement? We keep being told follow the science. So can anyone explain this? It doesn’t sound like following the science to me…

I bet no journalists asks Sage/the government this….

It's about governments worldwide grabbing the opportunity to control their populations. It's the nature of governments to wish to control those they rule over as tightly as possible and they were never going to miss the opportunity presented to them by covid.
Just look at how the authorities shit themselves over stuff as innocuous as hippies gathering at Stonehenge or ravers partying with no recourse to licensing (ie asking permission and paying the right people) 
Of course the board Stalinist is frothing at the mouth whenever any of this gets questioned. He loves the jackboot of governmental control despite his alleged "liberal left wing" views (like nearly every liberal lefty i've ever met)

I think you’re on the right lines certainly. I think money probably comes into it too. It’s amazing how some of those who slate the government most on here are actually happy to effectively hand over control of something so important as medical autonomy. It’s for the greater good, honest. Any historian will tell you that’s how authoritarianism gets going, whether far left or far right.

There is no reason at all why a test or proof of previous infection could not be used. Loads of my mates from the Asian community have not had this vaccine. This news is not, from what I can tell, going to persuade them. In fact it’s making some very angry. So now they’ll be thrown in with the anti vax 5G chip folks immediately, as that’s what people are being conditioned to believe, as buckster pointed out earlier. Black or white, no in between.

We have absolute carnage to come IMO. It’s incredible how easily people are persuaded to hand over liberties to the government. Incredible. Covid is one hell of an opportunity for a power shift and financial gain, and control.

It doesn’t matter if we have had the vaccine. It’s not about this vaccine. There’s a far bigger picture here, as Proth and buckster have pointed out.

(07-20-2021, 03:33 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:23 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe they haven't currently got any way of recording if someone has had it effectively, or that the tests can be manipulated.

And yet they seem to know that boosters will be required. How do they measure that?

The only safe measure is to take a test the day that you go to a venue. Being single, double, triple jabbed doesn't guarantee anything as being proved by the number of jabbed still catching Covid.

Jeez this is getting circular - being jabbed reduces the chances of getting covid, it doesn't remove it. Are you now saying that we should be in full lockdown because double jabbed isn't safe. There is an option to reduce restrictions and you are saying it isn't good enough now. Make up your mind.

(07-20-2021, 03:33 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:23 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe they haven't currently got any way of recording if someone has had it effectively, or that the tests can be manipulated.

And yet they seem to know that boosters will be required. How do they measure that?

The only safe measure is to take a test the day that you go to a venue. Being single, double, triple jabbed doesn't guarantee anything as being proved by the number of jabbed still catching Covid.

Correct!

“The science” is used when it suits, and ignored at other times (when it also suits).

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(07-20-2021, 03:39 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:33 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2021, 03:23 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]Or maybe they haven't currently got any way of recording if someone has had it effectively, or that the tests can be manipulated.

And yet they seem to know that boosters will be required. How do they measure that?

The only safe measure is to take a test the day that you go to a venue. Being single, double, triple jabbed doesn't guarantee anything as being proved by the number of jabbed still catching Covid.

Jeez this is getting circular - being jabbed reduces the chances of getting covid, it doesn't remove it. Are you now saying that we should be in full lockdown because double jabbed isn't safe. There is an option to reduce restrictions and you are saying it isn't good enough now. Make up your mind.

Surely he’s saying a test is a safer way to gain entry to places, and is a completely reasonable alternative. As confirmed by the WHO. Yet this isn’t an option…. No alarm bells ringing? Really?

This is getting a bit looney toon now so I'll step out - you want a system that allows freedoms, the jabs allow those freedoms and there is a way of measuring it. There currently isn't another method of confirming a) you have had it, or b) the test completed is yours - definitely two things to look into but not in place yet.

Boosters are in place because they don't know how long the jabs will last, that's just common sense and until they know more then seems reasonable.

(07-20-2021, 03:45 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]This is getting a bit looney toon now so I'll step out - you want a system that allows freedoms, the jabs allow those freedoms and there is a way of measuring it. There currently isn't another method of confirming a) you have had it, or b) the test completed is yours - definitely two things to look into but not in place yet.

Boosters are in place because they don't know how long the jabs will last, that's just common sense and until they know more then seems reasonable.

It’s in place to go to other countries. It is a method backed up by science. The WHO consider it to be the safest way. It won’t happen here as the government don’t want it to. They want 100% vaccine take up and will blackmail to do it.

If you think blackmail is a form of returning freedoms, fair enough, but I don’t. Freedom literally starts with bodily autonomy.

The domestic vaccine passports they promised wouldn’t happen are coming, yet people still trust them. It’s madness. The same people who criticise the government most are literally those in support of them deciding what you put in your body. Each to their own, but IMO that is insane.