Can interest rises work?

[CaptainFantastico]

Excuse after excuse. Yawn

[Protheroe]

A lot of people are going to be very disappointed. It really doesn't mater who you vote for in 2024.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66215122

So you have the choice between the most corrupt bunch of politicians in our lifetimes, possibly ever, or the Labour party who will at least bring it back to normal. I'd say that alone is a choice

How inspiring.

[CarlosCorbewrong]

Well, I for one will hold my nose and vote least worst. And, by golly, it'll be a close call despite years of debate on here.

[baggy1]

A lot of people are going to be very disappointed. It really doesn't mater who you vote for in 2024.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66215122

So you have the choice between the most corrupt bunch of politicians in our lifetimes, possibly ever, or the Labour party who will at least bring it back to normal. I'd say that alone is a choice

How inspiring.

Oh just fuck off with your bullshit patronising commentary. You, and gullible idiots like you, put the biggest fucking criminals into power and have pushed forward a world where bullshit wins if it’s dressed in a red white and blue jockstrap. We need to take a step in the direction of sanity as the first stage to get this country back to being something worthwhile. The only option is Labour, whether they deliver anything of note is secondary. You’ve created a world of politics that has sucked the life of this country, that can’t continue.

[Protheroe]

I dropped into a Socialist Campaign Group chat about the NHS tonight on Zoom for the lolz. Gullible idiots like me will be the least of your worries shortly.

[baggy1]

You can’t have it both ways. The socialist campaign group are not the Labour Party of the day, they were dumped along with Jezza. It’s a broad church but the policy makers are very centrist at the moment. One step at a time but the socialist policies are as likely to be implemented as when we start to see Brexit benefits.

[Protheroe]

Which ways am I trying to have it?

As far as I can see the Shadow Cabinet has adopted an exceptionally tight fiscal position in contrast to the majority of the PLP, Labour Members and certainly the idiots in the SCG. They're right to do so, but it only spells trouble ahead.

The reality that we've absolutely wasted the last 15 years putting off the inevitable is beginning to bite. We're now in a doom loop of embedded inflation, suppressed growth, low productivity and ever higher taxes. There is no money for a social democratic programme, nor is there the willingness within the public sector to accede to reform. Starmer is going to take power in a similar situation to Harold Wilson in 1974.

[baggy1]

So taking all of that into account, as there is nothing anyone could do with the shitshow that will be handed over, do you think that there should be any thought to giving power back to those that have stolen directly from us, lied to us, and been the main architects of the current position we are in?

The only option is to try something else, if the choice is vote for those that have fucked us for the last decade and a half or vote for someone that takes politics out of the gutter then there is only one choice. If you decide not to vote then you are sending a message to those that are corrupt that you'll consider it in the future. A message needs to be sent that divisive, populist, distraction politics can't be allowed to rise again, the only way of doing that is to vote Labour.

Try and balance that with your 'least worst' approach of previous years.

[Borin' Baggie]

So taking all of that into account, as there is nothing anyone could do with the shitshow that will be handed over, do you think that there should be any thought to giving power back to those that have stolen directly from us, lied to us, and been the main architects of the current position we are in?

The only option is to try something else, if the choice is vote for those that have fucked us for the last decade and a half or vote for someone that takes politics out of the gutter then there is only one choice. If you decide not to vote then you are sending a message to those that are corrupt that you'll consider it in the future. A message needs to be sent that divisive, populist, distraction politics can't be allowed to rise again, the only way of doing that is to vote Labour.

Try and balance that with your 'least worst' approach of previous years.

Reeves has also said that she's happy to stick with borrowing to invest for capital used for infrastructure developments which is something that the Tories and coalition completely failed to do and is something that the Tories cannot be trusted on as their track record on that going back 100 years is genuinely pathetic and a big reason our infrastructure is in such a poor state.

That automatically makes their line of fiscal tightness better than the Tories'.

[Protheroe]

Given Starmer has rowed back on virtually every policy platform he stood on to win the Labour Leadership I'm amazed you're not more cynical about your own leader's road to Damascus.

I don't trust Starmer any more than I trust Sunak, as Keir was either hopelessly naive, is taking us all for fools or was just a barefaced liar himself during his own leadership campaign.

Nor do I consider many of the causes popular in the PLP to be any less divisive than those that seem to infect certain Tories.

Given you can't get a Rizla between them on anything which will make a material difference to peoples' lives I suppose it's a question of whether you want change for changes sake.

I shall be opting out tbh, unless someone makes me an offer I can't refuse on planning or tax policy.