Historic 15 year plan to invest in NHS staff

[Protheroe]

As someone working in the NHS.

Be thankful for Nurses, they stop the dr's from killing you. They deserve a lot more.

Very hollow Arf. 

No wonder my clients specialising in Clin Neg are so busy.

[Squid]

In no other job do people claim that more education makes some one worse

I wasn't claiming that, I posed a very specific question. If there is empirical evidence that health outcomes are better due to nurses having a degree I'm happy to accept that.

However the suggestion that "care" is improved by nursing degrees is extremely debatable.

Debate away. I posted a research study which links patient mortality to levels of education. If you have contrary evidence that knowing more makes nurses worse at their job, I would be happy to hear it.

As Borin pointed out, being a nurse always required exams and classroom education, except they used to be sat in a classroom on the hospital site and now they are sat in a classroom in a university, as are most student nurses all over the world.

I also explained how the nature of patients in hospitals has changed dramatically. The major other issue is staffing. There are heavy adult wards full of very sick patients will multiple frailties being run with one nurse and a couple of HCAs. Even Florence Nightingale would struggle with that.


As for your clients specialising in clinical negligence, the most lucrative/costly sector for that is maternity care. That is a whole other story. There is something fundamentally broken with obstetric and maternity care and seemingly very little will to correct it.

[Birdman1811]

In no other job do people claim that more education makes some one worse

I wasn't claiming that, I posed a very specific question. If there is empirical evidence that health outcomes are better due to nurses having a degree I'm happy to accept that.

However the suggestion that "care" is improved by nursing degrees is extremely debatable.

Debate away. I posted a research study which links patient mortality to levels of education. If you have contrary evidence that knowing more makes nurses worse at their job, I would be happy to hear it.

As Borin pointed out, being a nurse always required exams and classroom education, except they used to be sat in a classroom on the hospital site and now they are sat in a classroom in a university, as are most student nurses all over the world.

I also explained how the nature of patients in hospitals has changed dramatically. The major other issue is staffing. There are heavy adult wards full of very sick patients will multiple frailties being run with one nurse and a couple of HCAs. Even Florence Nightingale would struggle with that.


As for your clients specialising in clinical negligence, the most lucrative/costly sector for that is maternity care. That is a whole other story. There is something fundamentally broken with obstetric and maternity care and seemingly very little will to correct it.

Care for women in medicine worldwide is broken.