Brexit has failed…

[Protheroe]

Coupled with a cloying refusal to admit you were wrong and we have social media wrapped up in but a few pages.

Can you point out exactly what I was "wrong" about? The specific desire to leave the EU or the implementation of that democratic decision over which I have had no influence?

[CarlosCorbewrong]

Coupled with a cloying refusal to admit you were wrong and we have social media wrapped up in but a few pages.

Can you point out exactly what I was "wrong" about? The specific desire to leave the EU or the implementation of that democratic decision over which I have had no influence?

Do you think it was wrong to campaign for something that you either a) knew would be detrimental to the country b) didn't know what the outcome would be or c) thought you knew what the outcome would be but was wrong about it?

[Ted Maul]

Coupled with a cloying refusal to admit you were wrong and we have social media wrapped up in but a few pages.

Can you point out exactly what I was "wrong" about? The specific desire to leave the EU or the implementation of that democratic decision over which I have had no influence?

Do you think it was wrong to campaign for something that you either a) knew would be detrimental to the country b) didn't know what the outcome would be or c) thought you knew what the outcome would be but was wrong about it?

17.4m people voted for leave and every single one of them has a different answer for what Brexit actually looks like.

[CaptainFantastico]

Coupled with a cloying refusal to admit you were wrong and we have social media wrapped up in but a few pages.

Can you point out exactly what I was "wrong" about? The specific desire to leave the EU or the implementation of that democratic decision over which I have had no influence?

Do you think it was wrong to campaign for something that you either a) knew would be detrimental to the country b) didn't know what the outcome would be or c) thought you knew what the outcome would be but was wrong about it?

WILL.

NOT.

COMPUTE.

[Protheroe]

Coupled with a cloying refusal to admit you were wrong and we have social media wrapped up in but a few pages.

Can you point out exactly what I was "wrong" about? The specific desire to leave the EU or the implementation of that democratic decision over which I have had no influence?

Do you think it was wrong to campaign for something that you either a) knew would be detrimental to the country b) didn't know what the outcome would be or c) thought you knew what the outcome would be but was wrong about it?

No. I don't believe it was "wrong" to campaign and vote to leave the EU - not knowing the outcome, any more than it was "wrong" to campaign and vote to join the EEC - not knowing the outcome. We can both play that stupid game.

[Derek Hardballs]

Coupled with a cloying refusal to admit you were wrong and we have social media wrapped up in but a few pages.

Can you point out exactly what I was "wrong" about? The specific desire to leave the EU or the implementation of that democratic decision over which I have had no influence?

Do you think it was wrong to campaign for something that you either a) knew would be detrimental to the country b) didn't know what the outcome would be or c) thought you knew what the outcome would be but was wrong about it?

No. I don't believe it was "wrong" to campaign and vote to leave the EU - not knowing the outcome, any more than it was "wrong" to campaign and vote to join the EEC - not knowing the outcome. We can both play that stupid game.

Incremental change over 40yrs and agreed/amended via successive U.K. governments is not the same as just leaving without any coherent and set out plan. What a ludicrous comparison.

[Protheroe]

Incremental change over 40yrs and agreed/amended via successive U.K. governments is not the same as just leaving without any coherent and set out plan. What a ludicrous comparison.

Incremental change, never directly submitted to public vote in the UK. Where change was directly submitted to public vote in other countries it was variously rejected, until the government gave the people the opportunity to give correct answer in a second referendum - or just ignore them completely.

You simply can't grasp the concept that someone with a deep desire for democracy and the primacy of the best form of advancement possible - the nation state - might think differently from you, can you?

I know you and probably several other internationalists on here loathe the very concept of the nation state, and Britain in particular.

[Pontificator]

Incremental change over 40yrs and agreed/amended via successive U.K. governments is not the same as just leaving without any coherent and set out plan. What a ludicrous comparison.

Incremental change, never directly submitted to public vote in the UK. Where change was directly submitted to public vote in other countries it was variously rejected, until the government gave the people the opportunity to give correct answer in a second referendum - or just ignore them completely.

You simply can't grasp the concept that someone with a deep desire for democracy and the primacy of the best form of advancement possible - the nation state - might think differently from you, can you?

I know you and probably several other internationalists on here loathe the very concept of the nation state, and Britain in particular.

Dear deary me. The fact remains that if a democratically elected government under the scrutinity of a democratically elected parliament makes a decision, it does not have to be submitted for approval by a plebiscite. It is a sovereign decision made by said government the basis of  rule making in the UK. And of course electors have a vote every time there is a GE. Past governments have integrated EU law into UK law and the idea that it is not kosher is daft. It was a deeply unconservative thing to do to campaign to leave the EU after 50 years, but then you were never a Conservative were you? The other side of the coin to the mad narrow minded Corbyn socialists, who after all had the same crank view as you.
I don't know why posters on here are prepared to give you the time of day you are absolutely fucking crackers

[Derek Hardballs]

Incremental change over 40yrs and agreed/amended via successive U.K. governments is not the same as just leaving without any coherent and set out plan. What a ludicrous comparison.

Incremental change, never directly submitted to public vote in the UK. Where change was directly submitted to public vote in other countries it was variously rejected, until the government gave the people the opportunity to give correct answer in a second referendum - or just ignore them completely.

You simply can't grasp the concept that someone with a deep desire for democracy and the primacy of the best form of advancement possible - the nation state - might think differently from you, can you?

I know you and probably several other internationalists on here loathe the very concept of the nation state, and Britain in particular.

This just reads like a response you’d get from Farage. 

Good to know you hadn’t got a clue what you were campaigning and voting for.

[Protheroe]

Incremental change over 40yrs and agreed/amended via successive U.K. governments is not the same as just leaving without any coherent and set out plan. What a ludicrous comparison.

Incremental change, never directly submitted to public vote in the UK. Where change was directly submitted to public vote in other countries it was variously rejected, until the government gave the people the opportunity to give correct answer in a second referendum - or just ignore them completely.

You simply can't grasp the concept that someone with a deep desire for democracy and the primacy of the best form of advancement possible - the nation state - might think differently from you, can you?

I know you and probably several other internationalists on here loathe the very concept of the nation state, and Britain in particular.

Dear deary me. The fact remains that if a democratically elected government under the scrutinity of a democratically elected parliament makes a decision, it does not have to be submitted for approval by a plebiscite. It is a sovereign decision made by said government the basis of  rule making in the UK. And of course electors have a vote every time there is a GE. Past governments have integrated EU law into UK law and the idea that it is not kosher is daft. It was a deeply unconservative thing to do to campaign to leave the EU after 50 years, but then you were never a Conservative were you? The other side of the coin to the mad narrow minded Corbyn socialists, who after all had the same crank view as you.
I don't know why posters on here are prepared to give you the time of day you are absolutely fucking crackers

Fundamental alterations to nations' relationships with the EU have often been put to the test via a referendum. Perhaps if our previous governments had done so then there may have been a democratic mandate for Maastricht or Lisbon, and there may have been the space for a proper public debate about the democratic powers we had or would have to cede to the EU.

Democracy means accepting the the result placed before you, even if you don't like it. Not even being asked about either of those Treaties is fundamentally undemocratic.

In your opinion it's absolutely crackers to believe that people ought to have a say about how their nation is governed. I'm afraid I don't agree.

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Incremental change over 40yrs and agreed/amended via successive U.K. governments is not the same as just leaving without any coherent and set out plan. What a ludicrous comparison.

Incremental change, never directly submitted to public vote in the UK. Where change was directly submitted to public vote in other countries it was variously rejected, until the government gave the people the opportunity to give correct answer in a second referendum - or just ignore them completely.

You simply can't grasp the concept that someone with a deep desire for democracy and the primacy of the best form of advancement possible - the nation state - might think differently from you, can you?

I know you and probably several other internationalists on here loathe the very concept of the nation state, and Britain in particular.

This just reads like a response you’d get from Farage. 

Good to know you hadn’t got a clue what you were campaigning and voting for.

You've merely confirmed everything I've just posted. Well done. You've never spent a moment considering a world view other than your own in your whole life have you?