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Powers to arrest peaceful protesters
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05-12-2023, 03:55 PM
Does some of the stuff going on not really bother some on here, particularly regular or occasional Tory voters? Incredibly short sighted to add this to the functions of police when trust in them is at an all time low
Someone could have been killed
05-12-2023, 05:13 PM
John Stuart Mill made a clear distinction between self-regarding and other-regarding actions. He argued that the individual is free to engage in self-regarding actions even when society considers those actions to be improper. However, a sanction may be imposed when such actions impinge upon the freedom of others, which these twats actions generally do.
05-12-2023, 05:29 PM
(05-12-2023, 05:13 PM)Protheroe Wrote: John Stuart Mill made a clear distinction between self-regarding and other-regarding actions. He argued that the individual is free to engage in self-regarding actions even when society considers those actions to be improper. However, a sanction may be imposed when such actions impinge upon the freedom of others, which these twats actions generally do. Does that square with some of the arrests the Met made though? The spurious lock-on devices is one thing, but arresting a volunteer team for handing out rape alarms to women in Soho at 2am on a Saturday morning and arresting people near protesters and detaining them for 13 hours without speaking with them and it transpiring they were collateral?
05-12-2023, 05:39 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-12-2023, 05:42 PM by Derek Hardballs.)
It’s a poorly created law that will see numerous legal challenges and compensation claims. Leaving the interpretation so vague is dangerous to democracy. I know some on here will think it’s great getting one over on those lefty student types, but they will change their mind when demonstrations against say bloody awful football owners see’s their fellow fans, relatives, friends or associates arrested because their behaviour ‘may’ escalate and ‘may’ cause a disturbance for others. After all you can ‘lock-on’ with a scarf and less said about sweary football chants the better!
Anyone who supports this and include Labour supporters is complicit in bad law and anti-democratic. Ironically the Libertarian amongst us suddenly cares about the impact people’s actions have on others!
05-12-2023, 09:34 PM
It seems to me that it’s a law that responds to changes in the challenges that structural laws face in a more complex age by throwing even more flawed and ill thought out responses that have even more potential for missing their core aim. The pre determined use of them for the Coronation being one such abuse and misuse
Someone could have been killed
05-13-2023, 07:15 AM
(05-12-2023, 05:39 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: It’s a poorly created law that will see numerous legal challenges and compensation claims. Leaving the interpretation so vague is dangerous to democracy. I know some on here will think it’s great getting one over on those lefty student types, but they will change their mind when demonstrations against say bloody awful football owners see’s their fellow fans, relatives, friends or associates arrested because their behaviour ‘may’ escalate and ‘may’ cause a disturbance for others. After all you can ‘lock-on’ with a scarf and less said about sweary football chants the better! I doubt the police or the politicians will overly worry about compensation being paid . They won't have to pay the compensation, the taxpayer will. (05-12-2023, 05:29 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(05-12-2023, 05:13 PM)Protheroe Wrote: John Stuart Mill made a clear distinction between self-regarding and other-regarding actions. He argued that the individual is free to engage in self-regarding actions even when society considers those actions to be improper. However, a sanction may be imposed when such actions impinge upon the freedom of others, which these twats actions generally do. I agree. Badly applied in cases, but the Met's record fucking up just about anything all the way up to rape and racist murder hardly inspires confidence at any time. (05-12-2023, 05:39 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Ironically the Libertarian amongst us suddenly cares about the impact people’s actions have on others! As our resident authoritarian twat, what on Earth are you on about again?
05-13-2023, 11:02 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-13-2023, 02:42 PM by Derek Hardballs.)
(05-13-2023, 08:38 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(05-12-2023, 05:29 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(05-12-2023, 05:13 PM)Protheroe Wrote: John Stuart Mill made a clear distinction between self-regarding and other-regarding actions. He argued that the individual is free to engage in self-regarding actions even when society considers those actions to be improper. However, a sanction may be imposed when such actions impinge upon the freedom of others, which these twats actions generally do. I just wanted people to think of others not as fortunate as themselves. I appreciate you only care when it suits you, when it comes to others. What an angry bear you are getting. Meanwhile in Redcar You can get arrested for printing a leaflet
05-13-2023, 12:42 PM
One day. "Must leave the undemocratic, controlling EU at all costs."
Our government enact undemocratic, authoritarian laws. " Great work by our government, just what's needed."
05-13-2023, 01:22 PM
It is a very poor and ill thought out law. Totally unnecessary, most disturbances and indeed demonstrations can be kept in line with a modicum of common sense by using existing laws. All this addition of laws actually achieves is a solicitors bunfight. The police should do their job properly and be assisted by the CPS along the way, unhampered by cost cutting and local or national politics.
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