Second Referendum
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(04-04-2019, 08:47 AM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote:
(04-04-2019, 07:41 AM)Tom Joad Wrote: I was saying that by then triggering article 50, there is a deadline. This is something that has been ignored by politicians of all parties, both remain and leave, and The EU who have taken advantage of this infighting to reinforce their position.
Anything other than a deadline simply kicks the problem down the road. Sadly, the country is so divided that neither an election nor a new referendum will solve a problem that we urgently  need to address.
Business, from my experience, wants the uncertainy gone so it can get on. 
This was my point.

The issue around certainty has been caused by activating Article 50 before we were ready to do so, triggering it 6 months earlier wouldn't have helped with that. The EU stopped negotiating with us well before the deadline was met, this has been purely internal.

And no deal does not provide certainty as it puts us in a state of limbo where anything can change in an instant.

I would argue that without a serious deadline, Parliament would/will never be ready to move on. I have never advocated No Deal as the answer, but as the threat/ incentive for both the UK and EU to work together to find something preferable. As it is the infighting, the refusals to work towards a solution, the politicians seeking personal gain, have led to the EU being able to stonewall the bowling. Or to use an analogy. The fuel light is on, I've got around 60 miles to get petrol. Do I think about it and buy it where it is most advantageous either price or location wise?  Or do I just drive on until I'm running on fumes and then make a decision?
Again, to the point of the thread, I cannot see how another referendum will solve anything as those in favour of each point will no doubt not accept the result. Also, a general election at this time will confuse things further. At some point very soon we need to move on.
As an aside, there will be serious long term implications from this fiasco. I would guess we'll see a huge change in traditional voting patterns, hopefully a fairer means of representation,  and I'm hoping, no more populist referendums.
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Second Referendum - by Shabby Russian - 03-29-2019, 10:34 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by GMBaggie - 03-29-2019, 11:37 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 03-29-2019, 11:46 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by GMBaggie - 03-30-2019, 12:03 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Pontificator - 03-30-2019, 07:12 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by strawman - 03-30-2019, 07:36 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Pontificator - 03-30-2019, 08:34 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by strawman - 03-30-2019, 08:46 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Sotv - 03-30-2019, 12:08 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Borin' Baggie - 03-30-2019, 12:12 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by hudds - 03-30-2019, 01:20 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by TETLEY74 - 03-30-2019, 12:30 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by CornishView - 03-30-2019, 08:29 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 03-30-2019, 08:53 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by strawman - 03-30-2019, 09:08 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Pontificator - 03-30-2019, 11:31 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by baggy1 - 03-30-2019, 01:51 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by baggy1 - 03-30-2019, 01:49 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Sotv - 03-30-2019, 05:56 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Black Lake Victoria - 03-30-2019, 01:51 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Shabby Russian - 03-30-2019, 05:10 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by TETLEY74 - 03-30-2019, 05:38 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by hudds - 03-30-2019, 05:51 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by fbaggy - 03-30-2019, 06:17 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Fido - 03-31-2019, 07:14 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 03-31-2019, 07:38 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Fido - 03-31-2019, 07:51 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by fbaggy - 03-31-2019, 08:14 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by strawman - 03-31-2019, 08:20 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 03-31-2019, 08:50 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by fbaggy - 03-31-2019, 08:58 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by hudds - 03-31-2019, 09:57 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 03-31-2019, 11:41 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Shabby Russian - 03-31-2019, 11:43 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by strawman - 03-31-2019, 11:48 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Shabby Russian - 03-31-2019, 12:08 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by hudds - 03-31-2019, 01:25 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Babel - 03-31-2019, 01:56 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by CornishView - 03-31-2019, 02:49 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by baggy1 - 04-03-2019, 09:03 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Shabby Russian - 04-05-2019, 12:38 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by hudds - 04-05-2019, 01:05 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Tom Joad - 04-04-2019, 07:41 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 04-04-2019, 07:56 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Borin' Baggie - 04-04-2019, 08:47 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Tom Joad - 04-04-2019, 04:48 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Winst_Baggie - 04-05-2019, 12:23 PM

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