Second Referendum
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(03-30-2019, 09:08 AM)strawman Wrote:
(03-30-2019, 08:53 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Ok so the argument against a second referendum is that it’s ‘anti-democratic’. How exactly is having a further vote on the specifics of Brexit, having learnt a great deal more about what it entails anti-democratic? Surely the argument for leaving has been comprehensively won after thee years? So why are so many leavers terrified it seems at giving the final seal of approval back to the ahem people?

Also if a majority of people decided after a vote to put their hands into a fire, how exactly is that the right thing to do? The bizarre wish to make our lives more difficult ‘cuz we voted for it’ suggests we have a country full of masochists.

The arguments for leave have certainly not been comprehensively won. The arguments for remain seem to be "well we keep what we have now", but that would seem to assume that there is a status quo. There is no status quo. The EU will change. We have no idea what our situation will be in 10 years time, stay or leave. The major countries of the EU are not exactly an economic wonder now that the ECB has stopped QE. WE do not know in either direction, both are completely surmised. 

The only way we could even attempt to keep the status quo from staying in  is to veto absolutely everything we can to avoid major changes and I'm sure that would pretty well piss the EU off, we have pissed em off for years anyway. And there may be a point where unanimity is no longer available. There are already proposals for uniform corporation tax rates, which has pissed the Irish off.

But those with clout in the EU are pushing for unanimity in more areas to be abandoned to majority voting.

"In addition, the scale and urgency of the challenges facing Member States today – be it in terms of internal and external security, globalisation, migration, climate change, or adapting to the digital revolution – means that important decisions should not be allowed to be held hostage while Member States seek to exact the highest possible price in return for not using their veto power."


Note those words "important decisions should not be allowed to be held hostage while Member States seek to exact the highest possible price in return for not using their veto power["
We know better than you

Luckily to enable majority voting it requires unanimity,  but they won't let this go.

https://ec.europa.eu/epsc/sites/epsc/fil...lles_2.pdf

There is no status quo

Wow that was showstopper
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Second Referendum - by Shabby Russian - 03-29-2019, 10:34 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by GMBaggie - 03-29-2019, 11:37 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 03-29-2019, 11:46 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by GMBaggie - 03-30-2019, 12:03 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Pontificator - 03-30-2019, 07:12 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by strawman - 03-30-2019, 07:36 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Pontificator - 03-30-2019, 08:34 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by strawman - 03-30-2019, 08:46 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Sotv - 03-30-2019, 12:08 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Borin' Baggie - 03-30-2019, 12:12 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by hudds - 03-30-2019, 01:20 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by TETLEY74 - 03-30-2019, 12:30 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by CornishView - 03-30-2019, 08:29 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 03-30-2019, 08:53 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by strawman - 03-30-2019, 09:08 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Pontificator - 03-30-2019, 11:31 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by baggy1 - 03-30-2019, 01:51 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by baggy1 - 03-30-2019, 01:49 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Sotv - 03-30-2019, 05:56 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Black Lake Victoria - 03-30-2019, 01:51 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Shabby Russian - 03-30-2019, 05:10 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by TETLEY74 - 03-30-2019, 05:38 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by hudds - 03-30-2019, 05:51 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by fbaggy - 03-30-2019, 06:17 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Fido - 03-31-2019, 07:14 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 03-31-2019, 07:38 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Fido - 03-31-2019, 07:51 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by fbaggy - 03-31-2019, 08:14 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by strawman - 03-31-2019, 08:20 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 03-31-2019, 08:50 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by fbaggy - 03-31-2019, 08:58 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by hudds - 03-31-2019, 09:57 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 03-31-2019, 11:41 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Shabby Russian - 03-31-2019, 11:43 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by strawman - 03-31-2019, 11:48 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Shabby Russian - 03-31-2019, 12:08 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by hudds - 03-31-2019, 01:25 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Babel - 03-31-2019, 01:56 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by CornishView - 03-31-2019, 02:49 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by baggy1 - 04-03-2019, 09:03 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Shabby Russian - 04-05-2019, 12:38 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by hudds - 04-05-2019, 01:05 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Tom Joad - 04-04-2019, 07:41 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Derek Hardballs - 04-04-2019, 07:56 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Borin' Baggie - 04-04-2019, 08:47 AM
RE: Second Referendum - by Tom Joad - 04-04-2019, 04:48 PM
RE: Second Referendum - by Winst_Baggie - 04-05-2019, 12:23 PM

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