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Colin Pitchfork
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06-07-2021, 04:24 PM
(06-07-2021, 02:57 PM)Atomic Wrote: Yep he should never be let out. Absolutely spot on mate , and it's this quite simple concept that the excuse making ,hand wringing ,woolly headed do gooders seem incapable of understanding! 
06-07-2021, 04:38 PM
Right, here goes...
I like The Guardian, and quite a lot of the BBC's output; I'm not in favour of capital punishment and also think I understand the thinking behind concepts like rehabilitation and reintegration into society, where appropriate. And it's those last two words that are the crux of this one for me. Release, in this instance and under any 'conditions' (whatever they might be), will just never be appropriate. Because it's not just about him - although if it was 'just about him' I'd still want to see him kept behind bars - it's about society, which is all of us, but particularly the surviving friends, family, former neighbours and others who would have been close to those two poor girls and who will never forget what happened.
06-07-2021, 04:47 PM
FFS the guy has been having unescorted days out of prison since 2018!
I'm firmly in the life should mean life camp. Looks like they'll give him a new identity and set him up somewhere, so not only does this evil scumbag get out, we have to keep paying to look after him...
06-07-2021, 05:02 PM
(06-07-2021, 04:38 PM)Ossian Wrote: Right, here goes... I'm absolutely with you on this one. There are instances where release may be appropriate. A teenage murderer perhaps. But not this one. Punishment and retribution have to come into the equation too. He's only 61. I read that the minister is looking into this. Let's hope it's the same outcome as the taxi driver recently. Oh, and for those who complain of the cost. It cost£30k a year to keep a standard prisoner ten years ago... probably near double that in this case. Law and order costs..
06-07-2021, 05:42 PM
Similar to Ossian, I am generally on the side of rehabilitation and reintegration. I think the trend of ever longer sentences is not necessarily a good thing.
Likewise, when the underlying issues are mental health or drug addition, I would prefer people were treated and made better as opposed to swinging in and out of prison. As Johnnykayeengland has said, prison is expensive and we should be justifying that expense. However, while criminals generally age out of theft/robbery/violence, those who commit violence against women and children generally don't. Peter Tobin would be a very grim example of that. I cannot see how someone like Pitchfork could ever be safe.
06-07-2021, 05:45 PM
Can you ever be ‘rehabilitated’ from committing these sort of crimes? I doubt it.
06-07-2021, 05:58 PM
I've mentioned this individual before - I knew him and saw him weekly when I worked in Sedgley. Basically, he duped the authorities into letting him out and hey presto! he did it again.
Paul Brumfitt http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/845211.stm
06-07-2021, 06:01 PM
(06-07-2021, 05:45 PM)HugeHons Wrote: Can you ever be ‘rehabilitated’ from committing these sort of crimes? I doubt it. You can rehabilitate people who have been charged and sentenced for lesser, nonviolent crimes so fewer spaces in prisons are taken up by them which in turn relieves the pressure on having people out on parole or less restrictive sentencing despite committing violent crimes to free up prison space.
06-07-2021, 07:52 PM
I am all for rehab and humane prison conditions but I doubt that someone who can be so evil can ever be rehabilitated to be safe in the community.
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