8pm clapping

[TETLEY74]

I believe that austerity was both ideological and disproportionately targeted at the most vulnerable. Whilst multi-billion pound organisations were and still are allowed to avoid tax.

I believe that thousands of people if not more have been convinced by very rich and powerful individuals and corporations to vote against their best interests. Unless of course those best interests were served by losing Police, NHS staff, Brexit etc.

I believe that until this crisis the term ‘low skilled’ was used for our now ‘heroic’ key workers in the NHS and care sector. I believe that behaving crassly when defeating a bill to give those same people a pay rise is pertinent to what they truly believe about public services and heck some of them have even written / co-authored shoddy books / pamphlets about their wish to get rid of the NHS and reduce the public sector further. One of them is the same person who is now using the word heroic to describe them and the other is the Home Secretary who is sorry they feel they don’t have enough PPE.

As for who could do better? It’s rather silly hypothetical question that football fans use when they are running out of excuses for the shit form their team is on when defending a manager they like.

For someone who won’t admit who he voted for you sure do a lot of defending of this current incarnation of the Conservative government.

Who could do better is not a hypothetical question. It's the only question, the one that is asked at every election.

We've had three general elections and three times, despite the awfulness of the Conservative government, the public has still voted for them, because they did not trust that Labour front bench in government.

That is a colossal and shameful failure on the part of the Labour Party. By being wilfully unelectable, they have failed the people who needed them most and I blame them as much as the Tories.

This, absolutely.
Without any credible opposition, any government can have a free hit.

Exactly. All those pot bangers in Momentum spouting their ideological hyperbole in a room with nobody listening but themselves. Well done all of you.

Add this to the sad fact that people are generally stupid, that the media is basically a right wing drum, and big business sways all....

Yep momentum have inflicted more damage and misery on the labour party in the last 10+ years than the tories could ever have hoped to do, and I have no political allengence to any party at all as I think they're all a bunch of lying twofaced cheating dishonest selfish twats the lot of them, although I conceed there are a few decent politicians who try to do the right thing unfortunately there are no where near enough of them in any party.