Brexit countdown

[strawman]

Honda closing Swindon plant now - 3,500 jobs going. Nothing to do with the EU just signing a new deal with Japan that we won't be part of. Just Project Fear though ay it.

Never mind all those jobs - as long as we have blue passports.

I hope the Turks are getting blue passports as well as Honda are closing that and also returning those jobs to Japan.

Perhaps headline should be 'EU/ Japan agreement costs European jobs'

[baggy1]

Honda closing Swindon plant now - 3,500 jobs going. Nothing to do with the EU just signing a new deal with Japan that we won't be part of. Just Project Fear though ay it.

It's not as if these jobs are going to another EU country. Because of the agreement between the EU and Japan they are returning to Japan, where the supply lines are local and parts don't have to be shipped all over the world. 

Looks like the Japanese are looking after their own and, because of the agreement, the jobs would have gone regardless of whether we were leaving or not.

I'd watch this space if I were you - I've worked for a couple of Japanese companies and it's no surprise that with all the uncertainty they are closing Swindon and not the Belgium or Turkish plants (that feed into the EU). Japanese companies are very conservative and they really don't like uncertainty - make of it what you will but it really is simple, they are walking away from the table because of Brexit. The single biggest fuckup in our recent history.

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Honda closing Swindon plant now - 3,500 jobs going. Nothing to do with the EU just signing a new deal with Japan that we won't be part of. Just Project Fear though ay it.

Never mind all those jobs - as long as we have blue passports.

I hope the Turks are getting blue passports as well as Honda are closing that and also returning those jobs to Japan.

Perhaps headline should be 'EU/ Japan agreement costs European jobs'

Apart from the fact that they are not closing Turkey - but why would you let a fact like that get in the way of a good brexiteer point.

[Derek Hardballs]

Honda closing Swindon plant now - 3,500 jobs going. Nothing to do with the EU just signing a new deal with Japan that we won't be part of. Just Project Fear though ay it.

It's not as if these jobs are going to another EU country. Because of the agreement between the EU and Japan they are returning to Japan, where the supply lines are local and parts don't have to be shipped all over the world. 

Looks like the Japanese are looking after their own and, because of the agreement, the jobs would have gone regardless of whether we were leaving or not.

I'd watch this space if I were you - I've worked for a couple of Japanese companies and it's no surprise that with all the uncertainty they are closing Swindon and not the Belgium or Turkish plants (that feed into the EU). Japanese companies are very conservative and they really don't like uncertainty - make of it what you will but it really is simple, they are walking away from the table because of Brexit. The single biggest fuckup in our recent history.

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Honda closing Swindon plant now - 3,500 jobs going. Nothing to do with the EU just signing a new deal with Japan that we won't be part of. Just Project Fear though ay it.

Never mind all those jobs - as long as we have blue passports.

I hope the Turks are getting blue passports as well as Honda are closing that and also returning those jobs to Japan.

Perhaps headline should be 'EU/ Japan agreement costs European jobs'

Apart from the fact that they are not closing Turkey - but why would you let a fact like that get in the way of a good brexiteer point.

It’s a knockout and Strawman in the ‘neutral’ corner is barely moving. Age it seems has finally caught up with him.

[strawman]

Honda closing Swindon plant now - 3,500 jobs going. Nothing to do with the EU just signing a new deal with Japan that we won't be part of. Just Project Fear though ay it.

It's not as if these jobs are going to another EU country. Because of the agreement between the EU and Japan they are returning to Japan, where the supply lines are local and parts don't have to be shipped all over the world. 

Looks like the Japanese are looking after their own and, because of the agreement, the jobs would have gone regardless of whether we were leaving or not.

I'd watch this space if I were you - I've worked for a couple of Japanese companies and it's no surprise that with all the uncertainty they are closing Swindon and not the Belgium or Turkish plants (that feed into the EU). Japanese companies are very conservative and they really don't like uncertainty - make of it what you will but it really is simple, they are walking away from the table because of Brexit. The single biggest fuckup in our recent history

According to some reports - they are also closing the Turkey plant and returning the jobs to Japan

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Honda closing Swindon plant now - 3,500 jobs going. Nothing to do with the EU just signing a new deal with Japan that we won't be part of. Just Project Fear though ay it.

It's not as if these jobs are going to another EU country. Because of the agreement between the EU and Japan they are returning to Japan, where the supply lines are local and parts don't have to be shipped all over the world. 

Looks like the Japanese are looking after their own and, because of the agreement, the jobs would have gone regardless of whether we were leaving or not.

I'd watch this space if I were you - I've worked for a couple of Japanese companies and it's no surprise that with all the uncertainty they are closing Swindon and not the Belgium or Turkish plants (that feed into the EU). Japanese companies are very conservative and they really don't like uncertainty - make of it what you will but it really is simple, they are walking away from the table because of Brexit. The single biggest fuckup in our recent history.

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Honda closing Swindon plant now - 3,500 jobs going. Nothing to do with the EU just signing a new deal with Japan that we won't be part of. Just Project Fear though ay it.

Never mind all those jobs - as long as we have blue passports.

I hope the Turks are getting blue passports as well as Honda are closing that and also returning those jobs to Japan.

Perhaps headline should be 'EU/ Japan agreement costs European jobs'

Apart from the fact that they are not closing Turkey - but why would you let a fact like that get in the way of a good brexiteer point.

It’s a knockout and Strawman in the ‘neutral’ corner is barely moving. Age it seems has finally caught up with him.

Ah Derek continues with his ageist rhetoric along with his support for a racist, discriminatory cabal - how unsurprising

[baggy1]

According to some reports - they are also closing the Turkey plant and returning the jobs to Japan

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It looks like they are returning production of the Civic to Japan but not closing the Turkey plant which indicates they are keeping their options open. Something that they are not doing for the UK. The Japanese are extremely risk averse in business and Brexit has removed their faith in the UK, added to that the prospect of a socialist party in power (however real that proposition is) has made them think that it's time to leave this country.

Trust me - we have well and truly fucked it with this stupid fucking vote. I was pissed off at the time and was amazed that people actually believed we'd be better off in any way. I'm even more pissed off now that as it all comes to fruition people like you are still making excuses and blaming other issues.

Face it man, Brexit caused uncertainty at a point in time when we really needed a bit of stability. It was also run by fuckwits that just wanted to win and get their point across, they didn't care as is shown by them removing their business or protecting their assets offshore. And despite this they've done such a good job on people liek yourself you still think it was right. 

FUCK ME - WAKE UP MAN

[Babel]

It's TeamBrexit's "Operation Lightsout."

[LockHard]

[Beano]

Of course Brexit has played a part, even if that part is only the trigger or opportunity.

The car industry is in turmoil, Diesel, costs and diminishing sales. Honda and the Swindon plant are
worse than many, they produced 4 models at it's height now down to one. The site is vastly under
utilised and Honda and the Civic model have dropped way down car buyers shopping lists.

Lets not forget that Honda was tempted to the UK by our government with a venture with the then
British Leyland, that all went wrong when BMW came in, and promptly left having secured the 4x4
technology that it wanted along with the new Mini model.

It is a closure decision that is probably long overdue, dreadful for those at Swindon, but perfect
sense for Honda who will want to divert all the development costs for new electric cars at Japan
not Europe.

[Derek Hardballs]

Honda closing Swindon plant now - 3,500 jobs going. Nothing to do with the EU just signing a new deal with Japan that we won't be part of. Just Project Fear though ay it.

It's not as if these jobs are going to another EU country. Because of the agreement between the EU and Japan they are returning to Japan, where the supply lines are local and parts don't have to be shipped all over the world. 

Looks like the Japanese are looking after their own and, because of the agreement, the jobs would have gone regardless of whether we were leaving or not.

I'd watch this space if I were you - I've worked for a couple of Japanese companies and it's no surprise that with all the uncertainty they are closing Swindon and not the Belgium or Turkish plants (that feed into the EU). Japanese companies are very conservative and they really don't like uncertainty - make of it what you will but it really is simple, they are walking away from the table because of Brexit. The single biggest fuckup in our recent history

According to some reports - they are also closing the Turkey plant and returning the jobs to Japan

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Honda closing Swindon plant now - 3,500 jobs going. Nothing to do with the EU just signing a new deal with Japan that we won't be part of. Just Project Fear though ay it.

It's not as if these jobs are going to another EU country. Because of the agreement between the EU and Japan they are returning to Japan, where the supply lines are local and parts don't have to be shipped all over the world. 

Looks like the Japanese are looking after their own and, because of the agreement, the jobs would have gone regardless of whether we were leaving or not.

I'd watch this space if I were you - I've worked for a couple of Japanese companies and it's no surprise that with all the uncertainty they are closing Swindon and not the Belgium or Turkish plants (that feed into the EU). Japanese companies are very conservative and they really don't like uncertainty - make of it what you will but it really is simple, they are walking away from the table because of Brexit. The single biggest fuckup in our recent history.

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Never mind all those jobs - as long as we have blue passports.

I hope the Turks are getting blue passports as well as Honda are closing that and also returning those jobs to Japan.

Perhaps headline should be 'EU/ Japan agreement costs European jobs'

Apart from the fact that they are not closing Turkey - but why would you let a fact like that get in the way of a good brexiteer point.

It’s a knockout and Strawman in the ‘neutral’ corner is barely moving. Age it seems has finally caught up with him.

Ah Derek continues with his ageist rhetoric along with his support for a racist, discriminatory cabal - how unsurprising

A racist cabal? Arf we will all be old so the ageist bollocks is well just a bit daft.

[baggy1]

Of course Brexit has played a part, even if that part is only the trigger or opportunity.

The car industry is in turmoil, Diesel, costs and diminishing sales. Honda and the Swindon plant are
worse than many, they produced 4 models at it's height now down to one. The site is vastly under
utilised and Honda and the Civic model have dropped way down car buyers shopping lists.

Lets not forget that Honda was tempted to the UK by our government with a venture with the then
British Leyland, that all went wrong when BMW came in, and promptly left having secured the 4x4
technology that it wanted along with the new Mini model.

It is a closure decision that is probably long overdue, dreadful for those at Swindon, but perfect
sense for Honda who will want to divert all the development costs for new electric cars at Japan
not Europe.

OK you're right, nothing at all to do with the clusterfuck of a decision that was Brexit. I stand corrected.

At a time when all of the above was happening (and foreseeable) why wouldn't we start off tilting at windmills and showing the world how stable and investable (is that a word) we were.