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[Dreamkiller]

Stoke’s failures recently can be rectified by a competent manager. Whether some of their fans like it or not Mick McCarthy or Pulis would drag them out the shit and give them some fight, energy and credibility back. They are way past another trendy young manager with a  almost literally pointless philosophy.

Jones' 'philosophy' took Luton to a play-off then a promotion then another promotion in successive seasons. From Luton's perspective it was hardly pointless. Pulis has a philosophy every bit as much as Jones has. Neither philosophy guarantees success.

[Sliced]

Stoke’s failures recently can be rectified by a competent manager. Whether some of their fans like it or not Mick McCarthy or Pulis would drag them out the shit and give them some fight, energy and credibility back. They are way past another trendy young manager with a  almost literally pointless philosophy.

Jones' 'philosophy' took Luton to a play-off then a promotion then another promotion in successive seasons. From Luton's perspective it was hardly pointless. Pulis has a philosophy every bit as much as Jones has. Neither philosophy guarantees success.

And this was Jones' problem in a nutshell. He believed that his philosophy would guarantee success because it happened at Luton. "There's no problem with the system, it's tried and tested"

[Dreamkiller]

Stoke’s failures recently can be rectified by a competent manager. Whether some of their fans like it or not Mick McCarthy or Pulis would drag them out the shit and give them some fight, energy and credibility back. They are way past another trendy young manager with a  almost literally pointless philosophy.

Jones' 'philosophy' took Luton to a play-off then a promotion then another promotion in successive seasons. From Luton's perspective it was hardly pointless. Pulis has a philosophy every bit as much as Jones has. Neither philosophy guarantees success.

And this was Jones' problem in a nutshell. He believed that his philosophy would guarantee success because it happened at Luton. "There's no problem with the system, it's tried and tested"

And he was very convincing. He came with a definite idea of exactly what he wanted. Then the players he brought in were almost the polar opposite of what he said he was looking for. It was very odd. Everything about our club is very odd.

[Borin' Baggie]

Stoke’s failures recently can be rectified by a competent manager. Whether some of their fans like it or not Mick McCarthy or Pulis would drag them out the shit and give them some fight, energy and credibility back. They are way past another trendy young manager with a  almost literally pointless philosophy.

Stoke's failings lie predominantly with their moronic and outdated management structure. A manager will not rectify it. Why do you think the first thing Jenkins looked to do was bring in a competent technical director? Look at our signings vs the players Stoke have brought in, we have had a clear plan under Dowling whereas Stoke have spunked money at everything and anything in panic.

If Jones had a network at Stoke working with him he'd still have a job there.

[Squid]

Stoke’s failures recently can be rectified by a competent manager. Whether some of their fans like it or not Mick McCarthy or Pulis would drag them out the shit and give them some fight, energy and credibility back. They are way past another trendy young manager with a  almost literally pointless philosophy.

Stoke's failings lie predominantly with their moronic and outdated management structure. A manager will not rectify it. Why do you think the first thing Jenkins looked to do was bring in a competent technical director? Look at our signings vs the players Stoke have brought in, we have had a clear plan under Dowling whereas Stoke have spunked money at everything and anything in panic.

If Jones had a network at Stoke working with him he'd still have a job there.

Disagree. As soon as I saw his post-match after they played us last season, I knew he wouldn't succeed. His overview of the match bore no resemblance to what had actually happened and smacked of a manager stubbornly putting his system ahead of what the players can do.

The basics of football management are to get the best out of the players you have. Everyone's happy when your are winning.

[Borin' Baggie]

Stoke’s failures recently can be rectified by a competent manager. Whether some of their fans like it or not Mick McCarthy or Pulis would drag them out the shit and give them some fight, energy and credibility back. They are way past another trendy young manager with a  almost literally pointless philosophy.

Stoke's failings lie predominantly with their moronic and outdated management structure. A manager will not rectify it. Why do you think the first thing Jenkins looked to do was bring in a competent technical director? Look at our signings vs the players Stoke have brought in, we have had a clear plan under Dowling whereas Stoke have spunked money at everything and anything in panic.

If Jones had a network at Stoke working with him he'd still have a job there.

Disagree. As soon as I saw his post-match after they played us last season, I knew he wouldn't succeed. His overview of the match bore no resemblance to what had actually happened and smacked of a manager stubbornly putting his system ahead of what the players can do.

The basics of football management are to get the best out of the players you have. Everyone's happy when your are winning.

There's a stark difference between doing the best with what you have, and buying random players without a plan. Nathan Jones had a summer to rebuild the squad, it has a lot of deadweight but there's enough value there. We had a bit of deadweight and managed to move on some of those players and replace them. Stoke have been unable to, why did they bring in someone like Jones who was unlikely to get them up last season and then immediately sanction the signing of Vokes for £8m? He might not have been a success as he had his limitations with his tactical flexibility which is not a luxury that can be afforded unless you're right at the top but at the very least he would have had a team more suited to what he wanted and Stoke likely wouldn't be bottom having spaffed millions of pounds on paperweights, and if Stoke were midtable right now he would still be in a job.

Look at the players that Dowling brought in for Big Dave and then Bilic, they obviously fit the system. Yes, some of them weren't a great success (Murphy was heartless and Johansen wasn't fit) but you could see why they were signed. That is crucial in modern football, Brentford and Luton have established themselves doing it and ourselves, Swansea and Watford had plenty of success with it. It works from the top down and Stoke for some reason still want to start from the middle, that is the cause of their issues and it doesn't matter if they bring in a pragmatic manager as they won't be successful until they actually address it.

[Bromley Baggie 2]

A mate of mine (a Charlton fan) has just posted this on Bassfook.

[Dreamkiller]

Stoke’s failures recently can be rectified by a competent manager. Whether some of their fans like it or not Mick McCarthy or Pulis would drag them out the shit and give them some fight, energy and credibility back. They are way past another trendy young manager with a  almost literally pointless philosophy.

Stoke's failings lie predominantly with their moronic and outdated management structure. A manager will not rectify it. Why do you think the first thing Jenkins looked to do was bring in a competent technical director? Look at our signings vs the players Stoke have brought in, we have had a clear plan under Dowling whereas Stoke have spunked money at everything and anything in panic.

If Jones had a network at Stoke working with him he'd still have a job there.

Disagree. As soon as I saw his post-match after they played us last season, I knew he wouldn't succeed. His overview of the match bore no resemblance to what had actually happened and smacked of a manager stubbornly putting his system ahead of what the players can do.

The basics of football management are to get the best out of the players you have. Everyone's happy when your are winning.

Large elements of truth in both your comments chaps. It was concerning that Jones seemed to need very specific elements or players in every position before his system could work properly. He wouldn't be the first manager to require certain kinds of players, but a decent manager should be able to adapt if he can't get everything he wants every transfer window.

Equally, our transfer activity over the past three years or more has been absolutely atrocious. Mega-bucks signings based on players having been good in this league a while ago has failed dismally. There's utterly no pace, no leadership and no fight in them. 

We've had a system of sorts in place for 6 years or so, yet all these years later supporters couldn't tell you who does what. It's completely mix and match. No direction at all. How a subsidiary of Bet365 could be run in such a haphazard way is bewildering.

[Sunshine]

2-1 for relegation looks like a great bet. Which ever manager comes in has a hell of a job restoring confidence amongst existing players and who will want to sign for a club destined for league 1.

[Derek Hardballs]

Stoke’s failures recently can be rectified by a competent manager. Whether some of their fans like it or not Mick McCarthy or Pulis would drag them out the shit and give them some fight, energy and credibility back. They are way past another trendy young manager with a  almost literally pointless philosophy.

Jones' 'philosophy' took Luton to a play-off then a promotion then another promotion in successive seasons. From Luton's perspective it was hardly pointless. Pulis has a philosophy every bit as much as Jones has. Neither philosophy guarantees success.

Either play to the squads strength or put yourself under pressure from the outset. His record was appalling and my reference to his pointless philosophy was alluding to his points haul with yourselves. I simply do not believe that a sensible manager cannot do better than Jones. Im sure he talked a great game but that’s as far as it went.