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It's ironic that the Marxist Corbynites on here will point to articles such as this while their leader's party is only the second lot to get investigated for racism and equality after the BNP
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#12
Who are these Marxist Corbynites on this hotbed of socialist revolutionary message board!
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#13
(10-09-2019, 01:25 PM)Black Lake Victoria Wrote: It's ironic that the Marxist Corbynites on here will point to articles such as this while their leader's party is only the second lot to get investigated for racism and equality after the BNP

whataboutism
/ˌwɒtəˈbaʊtɪz(ə)m/

noun
BRITISH

  1. the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.
    "the parliamentary hearing appeared to be an exercise in whataboutism"



Are you saying that the overt and horrifying xenophobia of Leave.EU (a pressure group) is ok because some members of the Labour party (a political party) have been accused of anti-semitism?
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#14
(10-09-2019, 01:25 PM)Black Lake Victoria Wrote: It's ironic that the Marxist Corbynites on here will point to articles such as this while their leader's party is only the second lot to get investigated for racism and equality after the BNP

So anyone who thinks the above image is crass, bigoted and very ignorant is a Marxist Corbynite. You aren’t helping change my perceptions of your average Brexiteer.
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(10-09-2019, 01:25 PM)Black Lake Victoria Wrote: It's ironic that the Marxist Corbynites on here will point to articles such as this while their leader's party is only the second lot to get investigated for racism and equality after the BNP

Deal with reality; don't distort it because you think it makes your point more valid. That's what this thread is all about.
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(10-09-2019, 11:54 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 11:17 AM)Sandking Wrote:

The trouble is their base gallery are the core of the 17.4m which says way too much with regards to the country we may find ourselves in post Brexit.

98.44 % of Leave voters have no connection or interest in this Twattery doo dah but you can conclude the opposite of what the statistic shows.
Not only is reading comprehension not your strong suit, Observational Studies is clearly also a weakness.
You continually bang on about “Brexit voters believing lies” but you seem to believe implicitly, or are happy to perpetuate, the lie that all leave voters are racist.
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#17
Don't get me wrong - I'm not a fan of Corbyn. In fact, I believe his approach as leader of the opposition is partly why we're in this mess.

But in what way is he a Marxist? 

Some of the policies that were up for adoption were extreme, but they never reflected Labour policy. 
Some of the conservative policies dreamed up by the right of that party are also extreme, but again aren't reflective of the party.

It's these sort of spoon fed one-liners that seem to count as political discussion now. No wonder we've let the politicians of all persuasions hold us in contempt.

(10-10-2019, 12:39 PM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: 98.44 % of Leave voters have no connection or interest in this Twattery doo dah but you can conclude the opposite of what the statistic shows.
Not only is reading comprehension not your strong suit, Observational Studies is clearly also a weakness.
You continually bang on about “Brexit voters believing lies” but you seem to believe implicitly, or are happy to perpetuate, the lie that all leave voters are racist.

I personally don't believe that all or even a majority of leavers are racist. I do believe a lot were conned into believing immigration was a source of the countries problems. That doesn't make them racist - wanting strong immigration control isn't racist. It just means that a lot were gullible. It's ironic, because if you're receiving a state pension or about to, like a large portion of brexit voters, you're relying on young immigrants to pay it - all your NI contributions were spent a long time ago. We're one of the few developed countries that isn't facing an ageing population and pension crisis. Much of that is due to immigration.

It's all academic anyway, if we go it alone, when we negotiate our 'great, wonderful' trade deal with India we'll have to open our controls to let even more 'darkies' in...now that really is irony.
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#18
(10-10-2019, 12:39 PM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 11:54 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 11:17 AM)Sandking Wrote:

The trouble is their base gallery are the core of the 17.4m which says way too much with regards to the country we may find ourselves in post Brexit.

98.44 % of Leave voters have no connection or interest in this Twattery doo dah but you can conclude the opposite of what the statistic shows.
Not only is reading comprehension not your strong suit, Observational Studies is clearly also a weakness.
You continually bang on about “Brexit voters believing lies” but you seem to believe implicitly, or are happy to perpetuate, the lie that all leave voters are racist.

Where is that statistic from?  

I know it's uncomfortable to admit but when you have a solid core of support from groups such as the EDL, or when Leave EU put poster images up on Facebook and Twitter that are at the top at this thread you can argue with some degree of certainty deduce there are bigoted and racist Brexiteers that make up the 'base gallery'. I haven't and never would say all Brexit voters are racist, or bigoted. Like I wouldn't say all Labour supporters are anti-semites etc. Or that all Remainer's are sneering elitists.
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(10-10-2019, 01:07 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(10-10-2019, 12:39 PM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 11:54 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

The trouble is their base gallery are the core of the 17.4m which says way too much with regards to the country we may find ourselves in post Brexit.

98.44 % of Leave voters have no connection or interest in this Twattery doo dah but you can conclude the opposite of what the statistic shows.
Not only is reading comprehension not your strong suit, Observational Studies is clearly also a weakness.
You continually bang on about “Brexit voters believing lies” but you seem to believe implicitly, or are happy to perpetuate, the lie that all leave voters are racist.

Where is that statistic from?  

I know it's uncomfortable to admit but when you have a solid core of support from groups such as the EDL, or when Leave EU put poster images up on Facebook and Twitter that are at the top at this thread you can argue with some degree of certainty deduce there are bigoted and racist Brexiteers that make up the 'base gallery'. I haven't and never would say all Brexit voters are racist, or bigoted. Like I wouldn't say all Labour supporters are anti-semites etc. Or that all Remainer's are sneering elitists.
If Sandking’s 217,000 followers figure is correct, that’s the percentage. (I have no idea, this is the only interwebby forum thingy I frequent.)

I’m sure (at least I would like to think so) that you do not believe all leave voters are racists but your posts always come across as though you do. I believe it’s only a very tiny minority with tiny brains and in truth those groups are only using Brexit as a convenient vehicle for their vile agenda. So I would argue that, even if that particular gallery they are playing to are racist, you can not conclude with any “degree of certainty” that those opinions represent the 17 million or more Leavers’ views. Or that the state is about to descend into an intolerant morass.
Just because a few nutters shout loudly doesn’t indicate the whole. There is such a thing as the silent majority. 
Mind, all Remainers are “sneering elitists.” Big Grin
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#20
(10-10-2019, 03:02 PM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote:
(10-10-2019, 01:07 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(10-10-2019, 12:39 PM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 11:54 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

The trouble is their base gallery are the core of the 17.4m which says way too much with regards to the country we may find ourselves in post Brexit.

98.44 % of Leave voters have no connection or interest in this Twattery doo dah but you can conclude the opposite of what the statistic shows.
Not only is reading comprehension not your strong suit, Observational Studies is clearly also a weakness.
You continually bang on about “Brexit voters believing lies” but you seem to believe implicitly, or are happy to perpetuate, the lie that all leave voters are racist.

Where is that statistic from?  

I know it's uncomfortable to admit but when you have a solid core of support from groups such as the EDL, or when Leave EU put poster images up on Facebook and Twitter that are at the top at this thread you can argue with some degree of certainty deduce there are bigoted and racist Brexiteers that make up the 'base gallery'. I haven't and never would say all Brexit voters are racist, or bigoted. Like I wouldn't say all Labour supporters are anti-semites etc. Or that all Remainer's are sneering elitists.
If Sandking’s 217,000 followers figure is correct, that’s the percentage. (I have no idea, this is the only interwebby forum thingy I frequent.)

I’m sure (at least I would like to think so) that you do not believe all leave voters are racists but your posts always come across as though you do. I believe it’s only a very tiny minority with tiny brains and in truth those groups are only using Brexit as a convenient vehicle for their vile agenda. So I would argue that, even if that particular gallery they are playing to are racist, you can not conclude with any “degree of certainty” that those opinions represent the 17 million or more Leavers’ views. Or that the state is about to descend into an intolerant morass.
Just because a few nutters shout loudly doesn’t indicate the whole. There is such a thing as the silent majority. 
Mind, all Remainers are “sneering elitists.” Big Grin

JOK as I’ve said before my main gripe with Brexit is there isn’t one tangible benefit to me or my family and with regards to medicine it could be extremely dangerous for one member. I cannot and will not support or endorse anything that could potentially no matter if the risks are overblown (hmm) harm them. This inevitably means I dislike immensely those that would play fast and loose with other peoples lives for an ideologically motivated hard Brexit. Add to this a vile hardcore minority of bigots and racists  attached to the Brexit cause makes any compromise extremely difficult for me as it’s simply not based on logic, rational thought or even good will. 

Preferably I want a second ref and a more informed debate which we didn’t get previously but that won’t happen unless the government’s hand is forced and the opposition parties grow up and do what is best for the country not their parties. If the result is leave again so be it, I will always think it was a stupid decision until proof shows me otherwise but anyone who says they knew what they were voting for and it’s outcomes before the referendum is s liar.
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