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(01-14-2022, 12:43 PM)strawman Wrote: It's almost as though all sides manifestos are not works of fiction.
No Government is bound by them and policies have to change to suit current events.

Another my team is more believable than your team load of bollox.

Not at all, they may be but unfortunately there is only one that we can say without doubt is a work of fiction, and that is the one that has had the opportunity to implement theirs. So implicitly from that when can agree that the Labour party's might be a work of fiction, and the Tory Party's have been proven to be works of fiction.
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(01-14-2022, 12:47 PM)baggy1 Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:43 PM)strawman Wrote: It's almost as though all sides manifestos are not works of fiction.
No Government is bound by them and policies have to change to suit current events.

Another my team is more believable than your team load of bollox.

Not at all, they may be but unfortunately there is only one that we can say without doubt is a work of fiction, and that is the one that has had the opportunity to implement theirs. So implicitly from that when can agree that the Labour parties might be a work of fiction, and the Tory Parties have been proven to be works of fiction.

I can agree that every Government I have known Labour, Tory and Coalition have all been proven to be works of fiction.
Like I said policies change in line with current events. 
So based on experience my opinion both now and for a long time is that they are all a load of lying, self serving incompetents. But I will vote for someone because I believe that everyone should use their vote. Current favourite is dick and balls on ballot paper
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(01-14-2022, 12:53 PM)strawman Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:47 PM)baggy1 Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:43 PM)strawman Wrote: It's almost as though all sides manifestos are not works of fiction.
No Government is bound by them and policies have to change to suit current events.

Another my team is more believable than your team load of bollox.

Not at all, they may be but unfortunately there is only one that we can say without doubt is a work of fiction, and that is the one that has had the opportunity to implement theirs. So implicitly from that when can agree that the Labour parties might be a work of fiction, and the Tory Parties have been proven to be works of fiction.

I can agree that every Government I have known Labour, Tory and Coalition have all been proven to be works of fiction.
Like I said policies change in line with current events. 
So based on experience my opinion both now and for a long time is that they are all a load of lying, self serving incompetents. But I will vote for someone because I believe that everyone should use their vote. Current favourite is dick and balls on ballot paper

Which I can understand based on the current government, but what is it that makes you not want to vote for Labour or the Lib Dems? What I am hearing is that there is something that you dislike about their policies or direction, can you articulate that?
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(01-14-2022, 12:45 PM)Sotv Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:18 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 11:55 AM)baggy1 Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 11:43 AM)Sotv Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 11:16 AM)Loanee Wrote: No one then

As I've said clearly on here before, I've voted for them the last 3 elections but can't see myself doing so again.

 I'll have a look at the manifestos and pledges when they come out and make a decision on who i will vote for based on that.

So when they promise the earth and sunlit uplands you'll think 'these seem like the one's I want to vote for' completely forgetting where the last 10 years has left us then.

Exactly, oh you’ve been a shower of shite for a decade, nothing really has got better for most people but now I’ve read the greatest work of fiction… sorry new manifesto by the Shower of Shite party I will vote for them because it sounds great.
Sorry for being open minded enough to look at all offerings from all parties. What’s that thing you like to say about politics and football teams again Dekka?

So you wipe the slate clean every election? You don’t think how awful they have been for the last decade, you just put an X by them based on what they say not what they do? There is open minded and gullible / masochist. You don’t seem to show the same slate clean argument when it comes to the previous Labour government record.
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(01-14-2022, 01:10 PM)baggy1 Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:53 PM)strawman Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:47 PM)baggy1 Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:43 PM)strawman Wrote: It's almost as though all sides manifestos are not works of fiction.
No Government is bound by them and policies have to change to suit current events.

Another my team is more believable than your team load of bollox.

Not at all, they may be but unfortunately there is only one that we can say without doubt is a work of fiction, and that is the one that has had the opportunity to implement theirs. So implicitly from that when can agree that the Labour parties might be a work of fiction, and the Tory Parties have been proven to be works of fiction.

I can agree that every Government I have known Labour, Tory and Coalition have all been proven to be works of fiction.
Like I said policies change in line with current events. 
So based on experience my opinion both now and for a long time is that they are all a load of lying, self serving incompetents. But I will vote for someone because I believe that everyone should use their vote. Current favourite is dick and balls on ballot paper

Which I can understand based on the current government, but what is it that makes you not want to vote for Labour or the Lib Dems? What I am hearing is that there is something that you dislike about their policies or direction, can you articulate that?

Well as a thick racist brexit  voter  Cool Big Grin there is absolutely no chance that I would vote for the Illiberal Non-Democrats. 
I certainly won't vote for the party that has made pretty much a complete fuck up of what I voted for ran by the cheating, lying absolutely incompetent.
If I. am going to vote for an actual party the most likely is Labour. I actually have little against Starmer, I don't have a problem with him having the charisma of a dead fish. However I have read his personal policy statement and it seems ok, except that his policies aren't the ones that will be put forward or implemented, it will be the policies which are in their words 'Labour Party policy is made democratically, through discussion and consultation with members, the public, businesses, experts and civil society groups.' and we already have instances where the LP conference voted for nationalisation of energy and Starmer says he is not in favour of that despite his webpage stating he believes in common ownership (I'm sure there must be a nuanced difference). Anyway I think the LP will still be vastly influenced by the various extreme left wing sections - So basically I'll wait and see, long time til the next GE.
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(01-14-2022, 01:23 PM)strawman Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 01:10 PM)baggy1 Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:53 PM)strawman Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:47 PM)baggy1 Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:43 PM)strawman Wrote: It's almost as though all sides manifestos are not works of fiction.
No Government is bound by them and policies have to change to suit current events.

Another my team is more believable than your team load of bollox.

Not at all, they may be but unfortunately there is only one that we can say without doubt is a work of fiction, and that is the one that has had the opportunity to implement theirs. So implicitly from that when can agree that the Labour parties might be a work of fiction, and the Tory Parties have been proven to be works of fiction.

I can agree that every Government I have known Labour, Tory and Coalition have all been proven to be works of fiction.
Like I said policies change in line with current events. 
So based on experience my opinion both now and for a long time is that they are all a load of lying, self serving incompetents. But I will vote for someone because I believe that everyone should use their vote. Current favourite is dick and balls on ballot paper

Which I can understand based on the current government, but what is it that makes you not want to vote for Labour or the Lib Dems? What I am hearing is that there is something that you dislike about their policies or direction, can you articulate that?

Well as a thick racist brexit  voter  Cool Big Grin there is absolutely no chance that I would vote for the Illiberal Non-Democrats. 
I certainly won't vote for the party that has made pretty much a complete fuck up of what I voted for ran by the cheating, lying absolutely incompetent.
If I. am going to vote for an actual party the most likely is Labour. I actually have little against Starmer, I don't have a problem with him having the charisma of a dead fish. However I have read his personal policy statement and it seems ok, except that his policies aren't the ones that will be put forward or implemented, it will be the policies which are in their words 'Labour Party policy is made democratically, through discussion and consultation with members, the public, businesses, experts and civil society groups.' and we already have instances where the LP conference voted for nationalisation of energy and Starmer says he is not in favour of that despite his webpage stating he believes in common ownership (I'm sure there must be a nuanced difference). Anyway I think the LP will still be vastly influenced by the various extreme left wing sections - So basically I'll wait and see, long time til the next GE.

And that is fair enough, the Labour party have done a great deal to marginalise the ultra left wing of the party over the last couple of years and drag the party back to the centre. It will be interesting at the party conference later this year to see how many of Starmer's pledges are enacted. 

They will be the ones that are proposed, which is why he has stated them, but as you say there needs to be discussion and voting on them by the membership. For example at last years conference there were 8 card votes of which 6 were passed. And to give a bit more detail one of the 2 that were 'not carried' was electoral reform in the Labour Party and the majority of the grass roots vote for this (80%) but it was the unions that stopped it (only 5% of union delegates were for it) unsurprisingly. 

Trust me that process isn't very detailed, I haven't been asked for my comment and don't expect it to be but I will be seeing how my local group (very small and powerless as they are) will be putting forward their point of view. But I would expect that, with an eye on showing unity, Starmer's pledges will be carried.
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(01-14-2022, 01:20 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:45 PM)Sotv Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 12:18 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 11:55 AM)baggy1 Wrote:
(01-14-2022, 11:43 AM)Sotv Wrote: As I've said clearly on here before, I've voted for them the last 3 elections but can't see myself doing so again.

 I'll have a look at the manifestos and pledges when they come out and make a decision on who i will vote for based on that.

So when they promise the earth and sunlit uplands you'll think 'these seem like the one's I want to vote for' completely forgetting where the last 10 years has left us then.

Exactly, oh you’ve been a shower of shite for a decade, nothing really has got better for most people but now I’ve read the greatest work of fiction… sorry new manifesto by the Shower of Shite party I will vote for them because it sounds great.
Sorry for being open minded enough to look at all offerings from all parties. What’s that thing you like to say about politics and football teams again Dekka?

So you wipe the slate clean every election? You don’t think how awful they have been for the last decade, you just put an X by them based on what they say not what they do? There is open minded and gullible / masochist. You don’t seem to show the same slate clean argument when it comes to the previous Labour government record.
Once again putting words into my mouth i haven't said. 
I just don't treat the party i vote for or its opposition like a football team Dekka, seems some on here could do with practicing what they have preached to others.
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