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(10-12-2021, 03:49 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(10-12-2021, 01:48 PM)Shabby Russian Wrote:
(10-12-2021, 01:22 PM)Protheroe Wrote: I don't think Brexit has left us any shorter than we would have been otherwise. The shortages you cite are found in every developed economy right now.

We need to decide what sort of economy we'd like to be. For far too long that has been an economy with sclerotic productivity growth aided and abetted by FoM.

There isn't a plausible link between freedom of movement and productivity.

The real problem is a belief that business will not share the benefits of improved productivity with their workforce. A belief that increased automation will mean a need for humans to work less hours, leading to a decrease in income.

There's a very plausible link between employers having the choice to pay lower wages to Romanians & Bulgarians and opting to invest in automation. Society has always shared the benefits of improved productivity. How many hours do you have to work to earn enough to buy a loaf of bread today compared with 1921?

Then why is Dutch farming automated, why is German industry automated? Why are Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and Northern Italy so special that they can break the link?

Stop blaming domestic problems with productivity on the EU and freedom of movement.
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(10-12-2021, 05:34 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: Then why is Dutch farming automated, why is German industry automated? Why are Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and Northern Italy so special that they can break the link?

Stop blaming domestic problems with productivity on the EU and freedom of movement.

As I stated for many years on here, low wage FoM has been used as a convenient excuse by several sectors not to invest. Why should they? Short-termism runs through much of British business like a stick of rock.
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(10-13-2021, 08:17 AM)Protheroe Wrote:
(10-12-2021, 05:34 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: Then why is Dutch farming automated, why is German industry automated? Why are Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and Northern Italy so special that they can break the link?

Stop blaming domestic problems with productivity on the EU and freedom of movement.

As I stated for many years on here, low wage FoM has been used as a convenient excuse by several sectors not to invest. Why should they? Short-termism runs through much of British business like a stick of rock.

Then criticise industry and the UK government for failing as that's who's at fault. It isn't FoM that meant we had the 12th highest median wage in the EU, it isn't FoM's fault that UK productivity and automation are so far behind our European neighbours.
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(10-13-2021, 08:55 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: Then criticise industry and the UK government for failing as that's who's at fault. It isn't FoM that meant we had the 12th highest median wage in the EU, it isn't FoM's fault that UK productivity and automation are so far behind our European neighbours.

I have done. Placing a crash mat under British industry in 2008 didn't help - we need a damn good dose of creative destruction. It isn't FoM's fault, but FoM has been used as method of avoiding investment.
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