1 in 2000 vaccinated in hospital with virus

[Spandaubaggie]

The Beeb in their infinite wisdom have said unvaccinated most at risk from the new variant, with a headline up there with Grass Remains Green as the most blindingly obvious, but perhaps stating that only around 1 in 2000 of the current hospital admissions were fully vaccinated should be where the focus lies.

Really, bearing in mind so few hospitalisations I'm struggling with the continued grip the virus has and I've no sympathy for people offered the vaccine, who are vulnerable and have turned it down, especially as there's 100s of millions of people all over the globe would like to be in our situation.

Am I missing something about this? Onions https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57441677

[Birdman1811]

Just had my second vaccine dose.

Same as you, little sympathy for those offered but chose not to have the vaccine who fall ill.

[Spandaubaggie]

Just had my second vaccine dose.

Same as you, little sympathy for those offered but chose not to have the vaccine who fall ill.

Precisely. I'm meeting a mate at the pub at 5pm who was shielding last year and has been petrified of going out, as he's diabetic. It's a big moment for him.

[MrFizz]

Just had my second vaccine dose.

Same as you, little sympathy for those offered but chose not to have the vaccine who fall ill.

Same here. There are people in developing countries who are desperate for the vaccine.

There comes a point when we have to move on, protect and offer advice to those unable to be vaccinated, and let those who refuse to have the jab to look after themselves. We can't carry on like this, purely to protect those who refuse to be protected.

[MassDebater]

Got my second jab tomorrow morning. I also have little sympathy for those who are declining it for no good reason.

I believe the hospitalisations for single jabbed / Indian (Delta, I guess Indian is racist? Since it's been worldwide known as the UK variant for ages!) are a fair bit higher than 1 in 2000 though? #(not had chance to read the article, but read something the other day)

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However, this bit seems a little worrying:
"And of 42 deaths in people with Delta variant infections, 23 were unvaccinated and seven had received only one dose. The other 12 had received two doses more than two weeks before."

Then again 223 admissions from 33,000 cases isn't bad, 0.7%. That 42 deaths of the 223 is a concern though... 18% chance of death if hospitalised... 5% chance if had both jabs... I wonder if it is a case that the virus is now stronger in those hospitalised, as I was sure there were not that many deaths when hospitalisations were a lot higher? You'd assume the hospitals can spend longer with each one now too, so it seems at odds.

[DJPunkRoc]

Don't disagree with your sentiment lads but latest stats are that 11.8m haven't had a vaccine at all and 28.8m have only had one. A higher proportion are admitted with only one vaccine. If silly proportions of those get admitted to hospital they steal your bed and your heart operation. Some are selfish fucks, some haven't had the opportunity yet, some are poorly educated or easily influenced.

[Remi_Moses]

Freedom of choice has always been respected, but with the possibility of infecting others the jabs should be
law IMO. Unless a doctor gives good/valid reason for anyone not to have the jabs.
That leaves the individuals who simply don't want it. Those that put themselves family and friends at risk.

IMO
First thing is they must be made to pay for any treatment they may need in the future
Second they must take 3 monthly tests that they have to pay for.

Freedom of choice always has a price.

[Fulham Fallout]

Just had my second vaccine dose.

Same as you, little sympathy for those offered but chose not to have the vaccine who fall ill.

I went up Birmingham city centre yesterday and was shocked to see how many people weren’t wearing face masks, the majority of which were BAME.  I really don’t get their attitude towards Covid and the lower uptake of the vaccine.

[MassDebater]

Where I work is looking at ways of stopping employing people who refused vaccination, they can sort of get away with it by being a care home and therefore the staff will be in contact with vulnerable people. And I totally agree with their stance.

When vaccinations started there was something like 20% of the staff refusing vaccinations, not really for any other reason than some online expert told them it was bad. After some good work by our upper level teams I think they got the 20% down to less than 5% refusing.

Education and explaining is needed, that and turning off social fecking media.

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Just had my second vaccine dose.

Same as you, little sympathy for those offered but chose not to have the vaccine who fall ill.

I went up Birmingham city centre yesterday and was shocked to see how many people weren’t wearing face masks, the majority of which were BAME.  I really don’t get their attitude towards Covid and the lower uptake of the vaccine.

It's mostly not changed throughout the pandemic...

[DJPunkRoc]

Just had my second vaccine dose.

Same as you, little sympathy for those offered but chose not to have the vaccine who fall ill.

I went up Birmingham city centre yesterday and was shocked to see how many people weren’t wearing face masks, the majority of which were BAME.  I really don’t get their attitude towards Covid and the lower uptake of the vaccine.

We say "ethnic minorities" now.  

"In March 2021, the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities recommended that the government stop using the term BAME. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...mendations"