Brexit Barometer
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(02-18-2021, 11:09 AM)EastMidsBaggie Wrote:
(02-18-2021, 10:31 AM)JOK Wrote:
(02-18-2021, 09:39 AM)baggy1 Wrote:
(02-18-2021, 09:31 AM)JOK Wrote: So, only 27% want to go back into the Union !

I think that after the amount of pain caused from the last debate that the appetite for that to start again is going to be low. And that's partly because it actually won't make a great deal of difference to an individuals daily life if we had stayed in or have left. Which begs the question why did we go through so much pain to leave as the sunlit uplands are turning out to be anything but.

Unfortunately it does appear that, early days, we are straining to get into a position where we have 80% of the benefits of being in the EU that we had. Business is definitely suffering and when we get back to travelling around europe we may see other issues as individuals.

It really is looking like we have gone through a lot of pain for no benefit whatsoever.
It's still early days yet. Rome wasn't built in a day. (although it was built with a lot of European money Wink )

Can you at least give us a clue what Sunny Uplands we may be looking to build ?
Any timescales ? Any tangible benefits to us all ? Remember it has to surpass our rights, freedoms, wealth and wellfare that we enjoyed pre 2016 ?

You are terry christian I claim my 5 euros
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#12
(02-18-2021, 11:09 AM)EastMidsBaggie Wrote: Any timescales ?

Perhaps the evidence of a little more than six weeks.
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#13
(02-18-2021, 05:42 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(02-18-2021, 11:09 AM)EastMidsBaggie Wrote: Any timescales ?

Perhaps the evidence of a little more than six weeks.

These goalposts are getting further and further away. Didn’t Mogg say it would be 50yrs?
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(02-18-2021, 06:49 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(02-18-2021, 05:42 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(02-18-2021, 11:09 AM)EastMidsBaggie Wrote: Any timescales ?

Perhaps the evidence of a little more than six weeks.

These goalposts are getting further and further away. Didn’t Mogg say it would be 50yrs?
Raab says 10.  The terminal damage to a load of SMEs will have been done by then (10, 20, 50 years whatever the charlatans churn out).  That assumes (and it's a wish, not really an assumption) some sort of benefits that will go beyond those that exist (rolled over) outside the biggest  and nearest trading bloc we have chosen to leave (and will be taking rules from to trade with).  You couldn't make it up in terms of trade.

It was never about better trade, though.  Was it really ever considered until it dawned upon the leavers and then elicited the brlilliant "Fuck business" epigram from the PM?

You really couldn't make it up.  But then, making up stuff has been Johnson's stock in trade all his life.
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#15
I've felt for a long time that comparing our GDP with that of France will be a reasonable measure of the success of Brexit. We were lagging far behind before we joined the EEC and they have been broadly similar now for a number of years. Let's see how they compare in 5 or 10 years.
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(02-18-2021, 05:42 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(02-18-2021, 11:09 AM)EastMidsBaggie Wrote: Any timescales ?

Perhaps the evidence of a little more than six weeks.

But surely for such a great project that affects almost every part of our lives their should be a roadmap and timeline to Sunny Uplands .
Surely there should be a few tangibles by now ?
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