Brexit gains.
Just got off the phone from a wine importer (imports portugese and other wine) into supermarkets.

The call was about another matter, but I mentioned post Brexit checks to be made and he said Brexit has been an absolute nightmare in admin and added costs and worry but covid has been a blessing in that more folk are buying his product to drink at home.  Covid better than Brexit, he laughed bitterly. 

Carry on.
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(06-10-2021, 02:17 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(06-10-2021, 01:29 PM)JOK Wrote: Bigger arf. the usual dismissive response from someone who can’t understand that not everyone is as selfish, self centred and mercenary as you and refuses to acknowledge that his precious supper state isn’t all sweetness and light, liberal and compassionate as you try to make out.

It is interesting that zealous Remainers adopt this uber-Thatcherite stance of what's in in for me? It explains an awful lot. It explains why they're so disdainful of the views of the C's D's & E's who were most exposed to the immigration, cultural transformation, neo-liberalism and austerity personified by the EU (and Cameron) to which they'd never consented.

Oh dear... making out that voting leave was in some way a noble selfless act and those encouraging people to do so, were doing it for righteous causes. Is this the new attack line, now that Brexiteer’s are running out of any positives? To accuse Remainers of being selfish? 

I like the line about austerity being the EUs fault and just David Cameron.
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(06-10-2021, 04:21 PM)hudds Wrote: Just got off the phone from a wine importer (imports portugese and other wine) into supermarkets.

The call was about another matter, but I mentioned post Brexit checks to be made and he said Brexit has been an absolute nightmare in admin and added costs and worry but covid has been a blessing in that more folk are buying his product to drink at home.  Covid better than Brexit, he laughed bitterly. 

Carry on.

Most of that has come to my house. Cracking value.
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(06-10-2021, 04:59 PM)Fido Wrote:
(06-10-2021, 04:21 PM)hudds Wrote: Just got off the phone from a wine importer (imports portugese and other wine) into supermarkets.

The call was about another matter, but I mentioned post Brexit checks to be made and he said Brexit has been an absolute nightmare in admin and added costs and worry but covid has been a blessing in that more folk are buying his product to drink at home.  Covid better than Brexit, he laughed bitterly. 

Carry on.

Most of that has come to my house. Cracking value.

I'll tell him, Fido.  We have a 2019 vintage unlawfully seized by those fuckwits in Border Force due an ID number not being in the container.  Absolute shite - the number merely has to be presented if required.  Utter, utter out of control fuckwits.  I am doing the Mags Court condemnation hearing unless their lawyer intervenes and agrees it was an obviously unlawful seizure beforehand.
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(06-10-2021, 04:22 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-10-2021, 02:17 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(06-10-2021, 01:29 PM)JOK Wrote: Bigger arf. the usual dismissive response from someone who can’t understand that not everyone is as selfish, self centred and mercenary as you and refuses to acknowledge that his precious supper state isn’t all sweetness and light, liberal and compassionate as you try to make out.

It is interesting that zealous Remainers adopt this uber-Thatcherite stance of what's in in for me? It explains an awful lot. It explains why they're so disdainful of the views of the C's D's & E's who were most exposed to the immigration, cultural transformation, neo-liberalism and austerity personified by the EU (and Cameron) to which they'd never consented.

Oh dear... making out that voting leave was in some way a noble selfless act and those encouraging people to do so, were doing it for righteous causes. Is this the new attack line, now that Brexiteer’s are running out of any positives? To accuse Remainers of being selfish? 

I like the line about austerity being the EUs fault and just David Cameron.

The “positives” aren’t running out, they are only just beginning or do you think the political and commercial worlds are going to be pickled in 2020 aspic? . And where did I say all  leave voters voted in such a manor?


Re Proth’s austerity line; you obviously can’t read either.

Any answers yet?  Angel
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(06-11-2021, 06:27 AM)JOK Wrote:
(06-10-2021, 04:22 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-10-2021, 02:17 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(06-10-2021, 01:29 PM)JOK Wrote: Bigger arf. the usual dismissive response from someone who can’t understand that not everyone is as selfish, self centred and mercenary as you and refuses to acknowledge that his precious supper state isn’t all sweetness and light, liberal and compassionate as you try to make out.

It is interesting that zealous Remainers adopt this uber-Thatcherite stance of what's in in for me? It explains an awful lot. It explains why they're so disdainful of the views of the C's D's & E's who were most exposed to the immigration, cultural transformation, neo-liberalism and austerity personified by the EU (and Cameron) to which they'd never consented.

Oh dear... making out that voting leave was in some way a noble selfless act and those encouraging people to do so, were doing it for righteous causes. Is this the new attack line, now that Brexiteer’s are running out of any positives? To accuse Remainers of being selfish? 

I like the line about austerity being the EUs fault and just David Cameron.

The “positives” aren’t running out, they are only just beginning or do you think the political and commercial worlds are going to be pickled in 2020 aspic? . And where did I say all  leave voters voted in such a manor?


Re Proth’s austerity line; you obviously can’t read either.

Any answers yet?  Angel

Where did I say all?

People in glass houses shouldn’t make accusations in such a manner. 

Brexit gains have only just begun...you could at least of told us when they started  Big Grin

I'm pretty sure Cameron was Prime Minister of the UK at the time and it was his party's decision to introduce austerity not the EU's. Proth seems to be hoping we have forgotten that he used to argue that the UK government never went far enough with austerity. I assume by his last line he now believes that austerity achieved very little, other than to cause harm to those who needed the most help? Perhaps I'm wrong but I also thought he was all for immigration to the UK? Perhaps he's forgotten that too?
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(06-11-2021, 06:45 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-11-2021, 06:27 AM)JOK Wrote:
(06-10-2021, 04:22 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-10-2021, 02:17 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(06-10-2021, 01:29 PM)JOK Wrote: Bigger arf. the usual dismissive response from someone who can’t understand that not everyone is as selfish, self centred and mercenary

Oh dear... making out that voting leave was in some way a noble selfless act and those encouraging people to do so, were doing it for righteous causes. Is this the new attack line, now that Brexiteer’s are running out of any positives? To accuse Remainers of being selfish? 
I like the line about austerity being the EUs fault and just David Cameron.
The “positives” aren’t running out, they are only just beginning or do you think the political and commercial worlds are going to be pickled in 2020 aspic? . And where did I say all  leave voters voted in such a manor?
Re Proth’s austerity line; you obviously can’t read either.
Any answers yet?  Angel
Where did I say all?
People in glass houses shouldn’t make accusations in such a manner. 
Brexit gains have only just begun...you could at least of told us when they started  Big Grin
I'm pretty sure Cameron was Prime Minister of the UK at the time and it was his party's decision to introduce austerity not the EU's. Proth seems to be hoping we have forgotten that he used to argue that the UK government never went far enough with austerity. I assume by his last line he now believes that austerity achieved very little, other than to cause harm to those who needed the most help? Perhaps I'm wrong but I also thought he was all for immigration to the UK? Perhaps he's forgotten that too?

You know full well you inferred that is what I wrote. (still it was only an inference this time not an invention) And in a sneery way because you can’t comprehend the notion that others aren’t as self-centred as you and may be motivated by less financial, me, me, me ideals.


I think you have the ‘Glass Houses’ homily a bit arse about tit.

You mean I could have told you!  Or, you could take your blindfold off.

You always make it sound as though the UK was the only nation to use austerity measures. Sorry to upset you but that is far from the fact. You seem to have forgotten (or, as usual, ignored) the undisputable fct that the EU did impose member states adopt some measure of austerity and even Imposed a government change on Greece when the incumbent government refused to go far enough for the Commission.

“Europe is in the grip of tough austerity measures - some of the deepest public sector cuts for a generation.”
“The 27 EU member states aim to cut deficits to a maximum of 3% of GDP by the financial year 2014-15,”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/10162176

The EU’s problem is the same as Britain’s: austerity”
“George Soros is right: Europe faces an existential crisis, not least because of an addiction to austerity”
www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/03/austerity-eu-problem-same-as-britain-brexit-tories-thatcher

“Austerity policies in the EU have eroded the poorest citizens’ access to education and healthcare. According to a European Parliament report,”
www.euractiv.com/section/languages-culture/news/study-austerity-undermines-fundamental-rights-across-the-eu/

“By imposing austerity as the only policy available, the EU reduce the scope for national governments’ intervention and assure the coherence of the Union.”
socialeurope.eu/explaining-the-eus-politics-of-austerity
EU law determined the need for cuts in public spending:
EU member states may not have a budget deficit that exceeds three percent of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) or a national debt that exceeds of sixty percent of the GDP.”
www.europeaninstitute.org/index.php/112-european-affairs/special-g-20-issue-on-financial-reform/1180-austerity-measures-in-the-eu

“The current struggle in France over labour law reforms is not just between the Government and trade unions – a European battle is waged. The attacks on social rights stem in no small part from the web of EU-rules dubbed 'economic governance', invented to impose austerity policies on member states.”
“… The European Union is playing an important and perhaps decisive role in the attacks on labour rights. What we see is the EU throwing its rulebook in the French workers’ faces. Practically all the new rules on so-called 'economic governance' adopted following the euro crisis have been applied, and make France look like a EU test-case. The European Commission, with the backing of the Council, has used the rules on member states’ deficits to exert pressure, threatening with sanctions, should the French Government not give in.”

Strange, you Dekka insisted that the EU was all things great and cuddly about worker’s rights!  Angel
corporateeurope.org/en/eu-crisis/2016/06/how-eu-pushed-france-reforms-labour-law

Any acknowledgment of this, unpleasant for you, fact?
 
Any Answers?
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(06-11-2021, 11:11 AM)JOK Wrote: Any Answers?

Even Yanis Varoufakis has changed sides after having witnessed the vindictive behaviour of the EU since Brexit.

Mind you, he should have known what they'd be like after they inflicted multi generational austerity on Greece. Typical socialist.
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(06-11-2021, 12:59 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(06-11-2021, 11:11 AM)JOK Wrote: Any Answers?

Even Yanis Varoufakis has changed sides after having witnessed the vindictive behaviour of the EU since Brexit.

Mind you, he should have known what they'd be like after they inflicted multi generational austerity on Greece. Typical socialist.

In the words of Tyler the Creator:

"So that was a fucking lie"
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(06-11-2021, 01:37 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: "So that was a fucking lie"

You clearly know his mind better than he does then.

"Greece was ruined by an unholy alliance of its ruling class and Brussels. Despite that, I thought Brexit would hurt the weakest in the UK & so opposed it. But having watched the disgraceful behaviour of hard Remainers & of Brussels post-2016, I changed my tune."

Exports back to pre-Brexit levels, including fish. Buried away on Page 53 of yesterday's Times.

That's not quite the narrative on here is it?
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