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Oh dear Dekka - John Osborne’s Knuckle - 06-08-2019 Bloody Brexit! https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-48558809 Oh... (Runs away) RE: Oh dear Dekka - Derek Hardballs - 06-08-2019 (06-08-2019, 07:07 AM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: Bloody Brexit! We haven’t actually had Brexit yet. This reminds me of fans of our club laughing at Villa and Wolves only two years ago... RE: Oh dear Dekka - Borin' Baggie - 06-08-2019 (06-08-2019, 09:23 AM)Thurso Pickle Rick Wrote:(06-08-2019, 07:07 AM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: Bloody Brexit! Austerity wasn't an EU-wide policy, it was a solution pushed by the ECB to the Greek and Portuguese debt crises. Germany itself followed a Keynesian approach to the fallout in contrast to our austerity measures, as did France. Italy have also been pressured to do the same for the same reasons but have said they don't want to, so they aren't. And most of the far right gains have been due to playing on the xenephobia generated by the migrant crisis and the fallout of Syria and Libya, hence it being focused in Italy and Hungary. The biggest swing over the last 5 years across the EU has been towards the Green parties with a resurgence of the liberal parties over the last year. RE: Oh dear Dekka - Derek Hardballs - 06-08-2019 (06-08-2019, 07:07 AM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: Bloody Brexit! Oh and on the specific point made you’re going to have to explain how economic uncertainty across the globe thanks mainly to Trump led US and China trade war is going to benefit a country like ours? We will be at the mercy of international upturns and down turns even more so than now. Keep waving the little Union Jack in the face of common sense. RE: Oh dear Dekka - John Osborne’s Knuckle - 06-08-2019 (06-08-2019, 12:06 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:What specific point, exactly, was I making?(06-08-2019, 07:07 AM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: Bloody Brexit! I do not wave the Union Flag or any flag for that matter. The demise of Nation States renders it pointless and obsolete. RE: Oh dear Dekka - Derek Hardballs - 06-08-2019 (06-08-2019, 01:10 PM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote:(06-08-2019, 12:06 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:What specific point, exactly, was I making?(06-08-2019, 07:07 AM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: Bloody Brexit! I would hope you would know what point you were making given you posted the thread. My reply was I fail to see how leaving Europe is going to help us protect ourselves from the global financial bumps. RE: Oh dear Dekka - Borin' Baggie - 06-08-2019 (06-08-2019, 11:07 AM)Thurso Pickle Rick Wrote:(06-08-2019, 10:26 AM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote:(06-08-2019, 09:23 AM)Thurso Pickle Rick Wrote:(06-08-2019, 07:07 AM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: Bloody Brexit! Ireland's decision was predominantly a domestic decision, they didn't need to get a bailout but went cap in hand to the EU and it led to the collapse of the FG-Labour coalition over there. You can disagree with my assertion all you want, just go to Austria, Hungary and Italy and see who Lega Nord, FPO and Orban are targeting. Hint, it isn't the EU. The arguments stay the same but the group changes, they are feeding on the anti-migrant sentiment specifically from Libya and Syria. Hell, of all the right wing populist groups elected to the European Parliament only the Brexit Party is outwardly anti-EU. Also, how has the EU been an economic failure? Germany had been booming over the last 10 years before the recent blip, Italy became a bigger economy than us in the 70s through their membership of the EEC and kept that up till the turn of the millennium, the Baltic states and the other former Eastern Bloc countries that joined the EU are booming. As for more countries leaving, the mess we're in is more than enough of a deterrent. Hence anti-EU sentiment on the continent and in Ireland has been dropping like a stone over the last 3 years. RE: Oh dear Dekka - John Osborne’s Knuckle - 06-08-2019 (06-08-2019, 02:59 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:I do but you don’t seem to as you are answering a different point. I didn’t infer that leaving the Union would help us avoid a global downturn. But clearly, being in the union doesn’t protect you either. Not even if you are the biggest cheese in it.(06-08-2019, 01:10 PM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote:(06-08-2019, 12:06 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:What specific point, exactly, was I making?(06-08-2019, 07:07 AM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: Bloody Brexit! RE: Oh dear Dekka - Borin' Baggie - 06-08-2019 Can you link me to some of the tribunals regarding the fallout? All I know of with regards to legal action is based around the bank guarantee and the fallout of the IBRC liquidation, not the agreement of the bailout programme by the Troika and the Irish government. As for the rise in extremism, there's no doubt that the economic downturn from the fallout in 2008 created the discontent for the status quo throughout Europe but I'm on about the specific right wing populist parties that have seized power in Europe, not the more radical parties. The rise of the likes of Lega Nord, FPO, PVV, AfD etc all coincided with the migrant crisis and that is what they've been preying on, not the EU's response to the recession or debt crises. With regards to the growth rate being poor, it's been fairly consistent across the bloc over the last 20 years bar the blip in 2012 and of course the global financial crisis, and has been higher than the growth rate of the US in that same period as seen here: https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/embed/?s=europeanugdpanngrora&v=201906060957a1&d1=19190101&d2=20191231&type=type=line&title=false&url2=/united-states/gdp-growth-annual&h=300&w=600 It's also been fairly comparable to China: https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/embed/?s=europeanugdpanngrora&v=201906060957a1&d1=19190101&d2=20191231&type=type=line&title=false&url2=/china/gdp-growth-annual&h=300&w=600 With regards to the referendum, I think the general legislation for it being rushed and therefore failing to replicate the Irish/Swiss methods of referenda that are fairly secure and make the decision making process more status quo vs definitive rather that status quo vs speculative were bigger mistakes from Cameron than the timing. RE: Oh dear Dekka - Derek Hardballs - 06-08-2019 (06-08-2019, 05:52 PM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote:(06-08-2019, 02:59 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:I do but you don’t seem to as you are answering a different point. I didn’t infer that leaving the Union would help us avoid a global downturn. But clearly, being in the union doesn’t protect you either. Not even if you are the biggest cheese in it.(06-08-2019, 01:10 PM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote:(06-08-2019, 12:06 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:What specific point, exactly, was I making?(06-08-2019, 07:07 AM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: Bloody Brexit! If you think that we are best served by standing alone rather than as a block with regards to the economy, culturally, politically, defensively then I completely disagree. Yes Germany is currently experiencing a down turn in trade, but now in this country we are starting to see what Brexit uncertainty ( we shall see if the actual event is better or worse) affect on this country with job losses in manufacturing. As has been said many times if you have a headache you don’t cure it by kicking yourself in the bollocks! |